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Conversation Between Union Of V and Goatboy
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  1. Union Of V
    June 22nd 2010 08:11 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    As far as I can tell it was a parody originating from here

    Yeah, religion... meh... I've got a theory about "religious maturity", it's a measure of a person's ability to comprehend and accept beliefs other than his own. A religiously immature person has difficulty handling the thought that the world may be different to how he perceives it, and may react to such suggestions with violent, emotional outbursts. Signs that a person may be religiously mature include objective consideration of multiple points of view; acceptance of alternate spiritualities; knowledge of a wide range of theological ideas; and/or confident beliefs which differ significantly from those offered by a familiar religious institution or community.

    If I get enough people to sign a petition I might be able to get it entered into DSM...
  2. Goatboy
    June 22nd 2010 07:16 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Right I deleted the psychiatrist thing, I'm unsure if it is true. Do you know anything about it, it was on yahoo news and stuff but it could have been hoaxed. Ah I wish my family would drop this whole thing, I think I'm going a bit crazy
  3. Goatboy
    June 22nd 2010 06:41 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Haha I see you saw the thread.
    Bah I give up, I think I over reacted.
    But my family has been going at me again for not being Christian.
    Oh it just gets better...

    Plus I'm unsure about the source about the psychiatrist - still it words the situation beautifully.
  4. Union Of V
    June 22nd 2010 03:45 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    Oh! Oh! By invading Gaza, the Israelis are doing exactly what the Allies did! I love these people... Potted history would you say?
  5. Union Of V
    June 22nd 2010 03:23 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    1. I'm similarly just after reading a reply to my comment on Youtube by a guy claiming that the IDF shoots flowers at Gaza. I'm sure you can figure out what my reply was.

    I find the US position that Israel should be backed because its enemies are "worse" than the Israeli government draws interesting parallels with their Cold War insistence of backing "anti-communist" regimes as "the lesser evil". The sooner people realise that "good" transcends ideologies the better... (As an aside have you noticed the largest issue people have with atheism is they tie in their sense of good with their religion? I've only really started paying attention with this as the whole Catholic abuse debacle broke out and many were left feeling that all "good" had left the planet as a result of losing their rose-tinted vision of their church.)

    2. Brilliant!! It sounds somewhat like something out of 1984, probably more the better!

    3. No, I love the Israelo-Palistinian conflict, even though no matter how much I study it I always feel like the true nature of it eludes me
  6. Goatboy
    June 21st 2010 06:16 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    OK it's not good. Oh and sry if this all bothering you too much, but try being saturated in this, if you need a rest from me just say
  7. Goatboy
    June 21st 2010 06:11 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Oh this is too good
    The psychiatrist of Israel's prime-minister has committed suicide. This is what he put in his suicide note:
    “I can’t take it anymore,” wrote Yatom. “Robbery is redemption, apartheid is freedom, peace activists are terrorists, murder is self-defense, piracy is legality, Palestinians are Jordanians, annexation is liberation, there’s no end to his contradictions. Freud promised rationality would reign in the instinctual passions, but he never met Bibi Netanyahu. This guy would say Gandhi invented brass knuckes.”
  8. Goatboy
    June 21st 2010 06:06 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Here is something an Israeli posted on the internet:
    "you are right all of the attention going to the professional self-made refugees is revolting because it detracts attention from the real problems facing the world - The People of gaza if they renounce violence sign a cease fire and release Shalit could have everything that they need - if they signed a peace treaty Gaza could be like Singapore - but that is patently not what they chose.

    Never before in the history of mankind has a country at war made such an effort to maintain some standard of living for its enemy and never before has any army made such efforts to try to avoid civilian casualties.
    Never before has any government sank to the level fo Hammas in doing its upmost to inflict maximum suffering on its own people.

    Israel lifted the blockade entirely because of Hammas - it saw how Hammas profits from the blockade, via its licenses for and taxes on the tunnels. The focus will now be on Hammas's gross violation of the Geneva Convention."
    Do I really need to say anything?

    I think that I find disturbing is that this is all militarised. For example, there is a tape in my house. Now it is a religious praise music, but at the beginning it has IDF soldiers shouting war-cries after capturing Jerusalem. In my parents bed-room, there is a book with a picture of a solder waving a Israeli flag, as he runs out of a burning Arab village. And they still say it's a spiritual battle! To them your either Zionist or your anti-Zionist. And if your not completely behind Israel, then you are on the side of the Anti-christ. They have such a black-and-white view of the world. Either you are Christian, and are thus a soldier of god - and are justified in whatever you do. or you are a puppet of satan, and need to be corrected. Yep I have been reading stuff I mean did you read the newspaper recently. It said we should back Israel no matter what crimes it does. I even said we should ignore their crimes, as they benefit us!!! Apparently, if Israel goes down, we all go down! It all boils down to racism against Arabs, and extreme Islamophobia. It's all about preserving our Judeo-Christian heritage. That's what I see popping up non-stop. Hell even the English-defence force has recently created it's own zionist section. *sigh* Yes I do get stressed over this, but I get bombarded with it by my family everyday. If I see any of their Israeli stuff around again I think I will go mad
  9. Union Of V
    June 21st 2010 03:26 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    I think you really have to separate what happened in the North and what happened elsewhere; the Troubles were more of a spinoff of the whole victimisation that Ireland as a whole has a difficulty shaking off...

    Yeah, that is one thing I never understood from the Gaza conflict - the only people war benefits is Israeli armchair racists and patriots and Hamas itself. I'm particularly amazed at the level of bias in both the US and Israeli medias when it comes to covering the conflict (my favourite montage on the subject). Actually it's funny that I keep seeing analogies crop up between the Gaza conflict and the early days of the Troubles, particularly in the way Israel considers oppressing the people of Gaza as a positive thing for Israel. When the Surmount government tried the same thing in Northern Ireland, it resulted in the entire city of Derry descending into anarchy for 2 days, soon followed by Bloody Sunday which, while at the time was considered an effective threat against the civil rights movement, proved to be the largest recruitment aid the IRA ever received. Taking that thought back to Gaza, how does anyone truly believe that by mistreating the Gaza population there's not going to be long-term conflict between both peoples? And how is Hamas's profitable underground trade meant to be stopped by restricting the extent of legal trade? Gah illogicality pisses me off!
  10. Goatboy
    June 20th 2010 09:19 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Could be. It's just that both principals we had were Irish (well the 2nd was Irish/Spanish), and we always celebrated St. Patrick's day. And everyone wanted to be friends with people who were Irish We also had a mixture of Catholic and Protestant students and teachers. With me coming from a protestant family. There was never any tension. So it really surprised me when she panicked. Then again, I suppose not having come from Ireland I can't really understand. The Irish history is very sad. Hopefully these 'Real' IRA, don't last long. From what I can tell, most people just want peace. But religion definitely seems to be a identity thing over there. And in my family it seems to be so too. I find the whole zionist thing really troubling. Sometimes I really don't know what to think of family members who are zionist. Especially when they have said things which could easily have come from a nazi's mouth. So yes I did read a zionist pamphlet which tried to justify the bombing of schools and hospitals in Gaza. And yes the relative did even say that children were a viable target for the IDF, as apparently they are very easily brain-washed by Hamas into 'terrorists'. I don't know what you will think of me saying this -but I can see why some in a situation like that could resort to armed-resistance. Not that I condone violence. It is completely wrong. But just think what they are going through. They're having their identities taken from them for goodness-sake. The stress they're going through must drive them insane. Maybe I'm not really thinking by saying this, but my family's blind allegiance, and that fact that they have the guts to say what they do (then Jesus loves all) -makes me really angry. Why anyone would try to justify murder is beyond me, especially that of children! Anyway that's my rant over, I hope you understand that I act like this as I have had to bear people saying some of the most hateful and disturbing things. Oh the joy of living in a brain-washed religiously fanatic family.
 
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