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Conversation Between Goatboy and Union Of V
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  1. Union Of V
    June 20th 2010 08:47 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    Could possibly be she was scared of being discriminated against, especially if she once lived in Ireland. You see, over here Catholic = Irish and Protestant = English, and people still haven't gotten over the fact we were ruled for half a century, so see the English as the enemy (of course since most people don't fully appreciate exactly how small Ireland is, they don't realise that culturally it might as well BE in the UK). So if she picked up this thought before leaving (particularly in primary school where it wasn't rare in my time to find kids rooting for the IRA), then she may have felt like she would have felt similar opposition in England.

    But I can't say really, I'm just speculating here.
  2. Union Of V
    June 20th 2010 05:41 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    Indeed, it seriously raises an issue when it comes to whether faith is nationalistic or not. For example, I've heard the following issue raised: who is more Jewish, a Jew in Europe or a Christian in Israel? Seemingly if you're Israeli, you're Jewish, end of argument. I feel it's a more visible case of the equating of religious identity with nationalist identity that happens worldwide (although you haven't quite seen it all till you've lived a while in Ireland...)
  3. Goatboy
    June 19th 2010 11:16 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    They've never explained why god would use conflict to bring 'final' peace. It's all god's big plan supposedly. Apparently Jesus will only come back when the Holy-land is only in 'god's chosen peoples' hands. Why would he be interested so much in a certain place in the world, and choose one race over all others? Why would god care about human matters such as these? Is he a nationalist? Does he really care about demographics that much -or even at all? Surely he would rather there were no nations splitting up humanity, let alone religions! Why would he be concerned about who wins in a senseless war, surely he would rather people lived peacefully? That's what's always bothered me, anyway.
  4. Union Of V
    June 19th 2010 07:08 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    That's... an interesting take on things I haven't covered before! I guess it's because I'm so used to holy wars that involve two sides that share pretty much the same beliefs
  5. Goatboy
    June 19th 2010 03:26 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Amen to that brother
    I've read the Bible cover to cover, so I get frustrated when people just use the verses which are fed to people all the time. The Bible is a big book – if you want to use it to convert people - read the whole thing first! Besides it's not that boring. There's all the battles described in gruesome detail. Song of Solomon – for those who need to masturbate Lot's of poetry, and interesting philosophical arguments. Besides everyone finds revelation an interesting read .
    What really got me questioning my faith was when a relative of mine talked about Zionism. So basically it's meant to be god's plan to bring peace to earth. Yet the Arabs are god's foes, and Israel can justify killing Arab children – to prevent them becoming 'terrorists'. So a loving god is bringing peace to the world by backing one nation, and using it to to do war against his foes on earth!!! And it's still meant to be a spiritual battle, and Jesus is meant to love children, and have died for all -regardless of their nationality! But those who oppose him – by simply being born in the wrong place at the wrong time deserve to die! WTF
    Oh and mysctism is like Lord of the Rings written by someone who is very high on lsd
  6. Union Of V
    June 19th 2010 02:43 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    I don't really mind people who say that Christianity is all sunshine and roses, but it's when they start flaunting fundamentalist ideas and quoting from the OT in the same sentence that I start to get pissed off. Like, "God loves everyone - except homosexuals!" (of course using the apologetic verbose term), or in the case of TH most of the Religion & Spirituality newbies...
  7. Goatboy
    June 19th 2010 02:00 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    Have fun 'debating' with her
    I think the only reason I got a bit obsessed with the Orthodox church was because the protestantism of my family and Catholicism of my school were so bland and boring. Well except the school's book of death I suppose I got 'seduced' by the interesting mysticism and art. It would be nice if we could rely on a religion like Christianity, but the fact that people are ignorant of the 'dark-side' of their religion really troubles me. Religion is all a bit messed up anyway I am still bemused by prophets and scripture lol well I am deist
  8. Union Of V
    June 19th 2010 01:32 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    Thanks for reminding me, I just realised at this stage she's just rephrasing the same point

    Yes, there's a good side and a bad side to Christianity, and the bad side seems to have a knack for making itself seem logical...
  9. Goatboy
    June 19th 2010 01:20 PM - permalink
    Goatboy
    I just read the thread on suicide
    I think my eyes have just gone
  10. Union Of V
    June 19th 2010 01:11 PM - permalink
    Union Of V
    If we share any games that is

    http://steamcommunity.com/id/unionofv

    I think I added you recently...
 
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