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Re: What proof do you want? And in turn, what proof do you have? - March 31st 2009, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by suniesha View Post
I think it it does depend on reasoning and logic, just like everything does.. And everything needs faith.
How is it logical? How does everything need faith? You believe in something you cannot see, touch, etc. because you have faith. Faith is what someone has when there is no evidence, no proof, no shred of evidence for whatever they believe in.

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Yes, there is no way to prove that God exsits, pastors and preachers agree but we also can't prove the big bang or any other way of the Earth forming.
Big Bang is supported by empirical evidence. ~99% of the scientific community understands and accepts the Big Bang theory. The only ones that do not place their faith above science. The studies are posted in the same journals that also post new research on cancer, HIV, heart disease, etc.

And technically nothing in science is proven, it is only suggested and supported. Same goes for medicine. Example: New research suggests that drug A kills cancer cells, therefore that drug will be used to treat cancer patients.
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Technically you can prove gravity.. I personally don't believe the big bang, I believe that Jesus came down to die for our sins..

& I'm gonna leave it at that.
Gravity has not been proven but evidence does suggest that gravity exists, however, there is still A LOT of conflict between scientists of how exactly gravity works. And as far as I know we are still having problems trying to measure gravity waves. Same goes for Big Bang and evolution. Scientists accept both theories but out of each theory can come a thousand new hypotheses which can or cannot lead to new theories which can in turn provide more support for the original theory, alter the original theory, or refute it.


And again, nothing in science is EVER proven, ever. Forget the word "proof", "proven", "right". Those words are only used to try to give laymen an easier understanding. Those words are generally irrelevant in the scientific circles because everything is based on theories which are supported by empirical evidence which takes years and year and years of very careful experimentation and study. Then you present your findings that support your hypothesis to other scientists that test them and retest them, and then test them again. And then your hypothesis becomes a theory if a large body scientists comes to the same conclusion. And even after you have a concrete theory that doesn't mean it can't be altered or even refuted in the future.

The word hypothesis doesn't even apply to God because science does not deal with the supernatural.

Last edited by Gram Negative; March 31st 2009 at 04:11 AM.