[Brandon]

Originally Posted by MindBodySpirit

There are 2 major reasons you see arguments most often between christians and atheists:
-1) In North America and UK, Christianity is the most common religion.
-2) Because of reason 1, Christianity has the largest effect on us as a society, out of any religion.

I'm aware of that. I'm not saying that the "discussions" are wrong when it's monotheism vs. anti-theism...I'm just saying...that's my observation.

Originally Posted by MindBodySpirit

>Quote from bible to prove some point in the bible.

Sorry, but that doesn't work. It's a logical fallacy unless you're just trying to prove that "It says this in the bible."

There's gotta be some credible evidence in the Bible to be used in a "discussion." To say that the Bible cannot be used as evidence is like saying is completely false -- it's just as ridiculous as saying everything in the Bible is true. I'm gonna have to disagree with you that it doesn't work -- I'm sure it can, but ask me the same question in 50 years and I'll be sure to give you a better response on the matter.

Originally Posted by MindBodySpirit

WELL, if the only reason people didn't believe in god is because we can't physically see him, I'm sure there would be far less atheists. We can't measure god in any way. There's no proof in the physical universe that a god exists. In fact, there's evidence of the contrary if we go by the claims made by the religions I know a thing or two about.

WELL...if you actually read and deciphered the message correctly, I listed science as a reason. Therefore, I did not say that the only reason why Atheists don't believe in God is because they can't see it -- of course, that's a reason, but when I include science in the equation...there's a whole lot more reasons.

Originally Posted by MindBodySpirit

Sure, we don't need facts to have a belief. However, unless there is at least one shred of evidence for an extraordinary claim, why should I believe it? Faith? Faith is just accepting things without evidence. Why would I have faith in something, when the faith is blind?

The real question is "why not?" If you're put into an environment that you are unfamiliar with and decide to find water, you're not going to really know where the water is. You can try to boil your own pee, what science has taught us, but we still need a different water supply at some point. If we're in the middle of nowhere and have to decide on which direction to take, sometimes we make a decision based on faith. I believe the water is north that way because I just gotta feeling. What else am I gonna do? Stand there and philosophize? To believe in something blindly is, I think, a real test of faith.

Originally Posted by MindBodySpirit

Wow. Have you actually heard people use that in an argument? I can't see oxygen, but I'm fairly certain it exists. Really, I think this is an unfair representation of an atheist's argument.

That's essentially all it is...just throw in some scientific terms, but it is what it is. You want shit that you can measure. When you're unable to measure it, you'll drop the baby and say "fuck it." There is no God. The Bible is fake, everything is fake. It's all a myth, yadda yadda yadda. I mean...it happens all the time.

Maybe I'll comment on the other stuff later. Need to take a nap. Peace.