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Originally Posted by Dr.Bobby
Ben, you've already made up your mind here, there's not much point in my continuing. You're not hearing me.
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I am hearing you. I'm just hearing a lot of speculation. I assume you're familiar with occam's razor?
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Originally Posted by Dr.Bobby
I'm not 'anti self defense'. This isn't a case of self defense, if anything it's developing into one of incitement and provocation to the point where self defense was necessary. I AM for rational laws that protect people, rather than give those who are loosely put together in the first place the legal rights and protections to act on their own faulty judgments. Zimmerman confused the "Self defense' clause to mean that he has the authority to stop and confront a stranger who was not engaged in an illegal activity of any kind. In short, he over played his hand and got more than he bargained for, and is now hiding behind the law.
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Please show me where Zimmerman stopped and confronted Martin.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Bobby
The point is, Zimmerman provoked a lethal situation with the help of Florida law. That's not 'Self defense', that's incitement. Laws shouldn't be written which allow people to do things they shouldn't be doing it the first place (playing cops and robbers with live ammo), only to have it escalate to the point where the law basically exonerates them for acting lethally on a situation of their own creation.
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Please explain to me how following someone for a short period of time before disengaging and returning to your car is incitement, or even accosting.
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Originally Posted by thebigmole
But that doesn't seem to be what happened. According to what his girlfriend heard over the phone Martin simply asked Zimmerman why he was following him. From there the confrontation started. If Zimmerman had never followed Martin in the first place this would not have happened, whether or not this is murder Zimmerman is still directly responsible for the confrontation that ended Martin's life. Martin reacted as I feel many guys would, I feel like the standard reaction for a big guy who is being followed around at night would be to just confront the follower. After all he was in a gated community why would Martin think Zimmerman was carrying a weapon?
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As a big guy, would I have asked what Zimmerman was doing? Probably. Would I have tackled him and started punching his head after he started to walk away from me? No, because that's ASSAULT.
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Originally Posted by thebigmole
Should Martin have hit Zimmerman, probably not, but he certainly didn't deserve to be shot for his overreaction.
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He didn't hit Zimmerman. He tackled him, and was smashing his skull into the sidewalk. That would get anyone else shot on any given day.