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Re: Science, religion...thoughts - March 26th 2011, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mIssIng:nO View Post
1) Why should you always demand evidence to support what you believe
I get what you are saying, but I wanna ask you something. some scientific discoveries happen how? By chance? or by someone having a far fetched ideas that someone may have?
Now, I'm willing to bet that when these idea were put out there to begin, many people deemed it asinine and crazy, until it was proven right. Then what? The people who were right were right, and the people who were wrong were wrong? No, people have different ideas for certain things, and view things differently. Demanding evidence is actually limiting your self, and becoming a tool to who ever wishes to manipulate you. Think about it this way, demanding evidence would be.

- I look into outer space, there is no solid evidence or facts pointing towards life being out there so it 100% means there isn't.
(this is your view point)

- I look into outer space, there is no solid evidence or facts pointing towards life out there, but this old book and many many years of people believing there is means there is 100% (this is most religious view points)

Both are limiting your self and robbing you of your "freedom" as you would say, as both lack free thought.

-I look into outerspace, there is no solid evidence or facts pointing towards life being out there, but as we DO know there is galaxies unexplored out there, and while we do not have the facts and evidence saying there isn't anything out there, there is no possible way of knowing whether life exists outside of what we have the ability to access and in turn study.


This is free thought, what you display is limited thinking, as you only choose to believe what science HAS proven, as you say your self there is plenty of things that science has no idea about.
I bolded that part because you just demonstrated that you didn't understand what I wrote. What you said you believe as regards alien life is also what I believe. Perhaps you too should be more careful before presuming to tell other people what they think.

Demanding evidence doesn't mean that you automatically believe something is false until proven true; in fact declaring that something is definitely false also requires evidence. The rational viewpoint concerning things about which we have yet to find evidence is to admit that you don't know. In short: what you've said actually shows that you agree with me. Well done.

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Originally Posted by Megan1
Evolution can't be proven though. That's why it's called the theory of evolution.
I almost wrote in my last reply "And please for the love of all that is good don't say "evolution is only a theory". If you didn't know, here are some other theories: theory of gravity, theory of relativity, germ theory of disease, atomic theory. Do you deny any of those? Something in science doesn't get to be called a theory until it has mountains of evidence in its support.

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Originally Posted by Megan1
I'm trying to figure out how to word what I'm trying to say. God is more powerful than anything, including science. He can make Himself known when He wants to and leave some things mystery for us to choose Him by faith if He wants to.
Then he is within the realm of science. If he were truly outside the realm of science, then he couldn't make himself known to us even if he wanted to. In short, for something to really be "above science", it would have to be so unlike anything resembling reality as to be useless to discuss because we'd have no idea of what it is we're discussing. That is how absurd it is to call something "above science".

[/quote=Megan1]If the muslims/jews/greeks/etc. were right......that's honestly not something that I think about because I know that they aren't. I know that's no debate, but I really have nothing else to say. [/quote]

No; you believe that you are right. Humility is called a virtue in Christianity, is it not? Humility means accepting that you might be wrong. Saying that you know for a fact that you are right is called arrogance. You are free to believe what you want to believe of course, but be aware that this certainty you have is caused by your refusal to challenge your own beliefs, not be your holding any special knowledge.

[/quote=Megan1]God doesn't do those things any more. He did them in the old testament, but then He sent Jesus to take that punishment for us because He didn't want to punish us like that. So yes, I am willing and joyful to spend the rest of eternity with Him. [/quote]

Then frankly, you terrify me.

[/quote=Megan1]There is going to be no torture/death/sadness/anything negative in Heaven.[/quote]

Is there free will in heaven?


The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours, and in time our atoms will once again reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.