[Megan1]

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

Then it seems you are using words you don't understand. Science does not prove anything 100% because part of its premise is falsifiability. The fact you're saying you cant show it is 100% when asked to give the scientific evidence you mentioned, means there never was any scientific evidence in the first place.

I never even said “scientific evidence”, I just said “evidence”. I specifically said circumstantial evidence so that people didn’t think I meant scientific evidence. I know there is also some scientific evidence of Jesus being God, but I don't know it well enough to get into that.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

Your argument that if god didn't do it, then everything would be such a coincidence is a pathetically poor argument, with no evidence at all, it's purely a hypothetical philosophical idea without evidence. Could it be a coincidence? Sure it could.


Point is, although there can be coincidence and odds not in one's favour, they don't mean something cannot occur. Saying that something exists because it's unlikely the product would be there without it although there are other methods but less likely, does not exclude the fact those other less likely things could occur and be responsible.

Actually, that’s called circumstantial evidence. I know that isn’t for sure or even great evidence, but….I never said it was. I don’t really pay a lot of attention to evidence of God to know a lot about it, because I believe by faith rather than by sight.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

Instead of suggesting I read a book, could you give some arguments from that book seeing as how you know the book better than I do.

I haven’t read the whole book; I’ve just been told parts from it, read a little bit of it, and know that the whole book is about evidence of Jesus being God. I could find specific evidence from the book if you really want me to, but it’s been a while so I’m going to have to do some searching. That’s why I just recommended the book instead of quoting it, but I can find some examples if you want. I’ll have to get back to you in a few days though.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

As mentioned above, I asked for the scientific evidence you claimed. So far I've yet to see you say anything remotely resembling scientific evidence. Believing in something on blind faith is not scientific either.

There is some scientific evidence that points to God, but I honestly don’t know a lot of it. That’s why I suggested that book, because I know that it is full of it, and I can’t remember the little bit that I read. I guess I will have to read the book (I’ve been wanting to anyways) and get back to you with that. That’s the whole reason why I said I only know circumstantial evidence though.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

Given your previous inability to say something scientific despite claiming it was scientific, I'm skeptical if that book has anything scientific in it. I don't doubt you learned stuff about the universe since being a Christian, however, I do doubt the nature of the information you learned. For example, I doubt you knowing much about biological evolution. Perhaps you can define what it is but beyond that I doubt it.

I have no way to prove to you otherwise, so I’ll just drop this part.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

There is no doubt the bible attempts to back up what it says, however, much of what is on Earth, the bible never even mentions. The way it backs anything up, other than perhaps giving a verse, is saying "god did done it" to whatever the item is. For example, does the bible mention human-invented, pharmacological medications for many illnesses? Not really, doesn't mention anything specific. But, the bible can of course say "god did done make pharmacological medications" by re-iterating the same umbrella statement to everything. So much of what it can back up, it cannot describe in more detail.

What I’m trying to say is that there is nothing on Earth that goes against the bible’s teachings; there is nothing in the bible that has been proven wrong. No the bible doesn’t show us how everything was made, but that’s not what I meant. I was just trying to say that there is nothing on Earth that disproves the bible in any way. The bible can’t all be proven by evidence, but it also can’t be disproven.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

LOL, look, if you're going to attempt to engage in hypothetical discussions, cut this attitude of saying "although I'm actually right". You cant form arguments or discussions on what might result from uncertainty to say in the next sentence, you're absolutely certain and not hypothetical. It seems impossible to have such discussions with you for this reason. I have my view on what I think will happen and I'm sticking with that yet I'm capable of putting that aside to have a hypothetical discussion on possible outcomes. You aren't and this isn't the first time, so for that reason, I'm not bothering to engage in such conversations, it's going to be a waste of my time and mental effort. I'll respond to the rest that isn't hypothetical because you seem moderately capable of that.

I was just making it clear that I wasn’t doubting my faith and was only saying “what if” to answer the question.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

Nope, it's not a quality for all gods. In sects of theistic Satanism, science is not viewed as undermining the gods or as gods undermining science.

I guess I should have said “most gods” then. Sorry, I know nothing about satanism. But point being, that wasn't referring just to my God.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

That seems contradictory to say to search for answers yet a conscious being will tell you the answers of what it thinks you should know. That's more like reading a textbook, you learn of what is in the textbook. The authours know more and could have put more in but chose not to. However, reading a textbook isn't the same as saying to stop searching for answers because the textbook can only answer some questions, it may also generate questions.

It’s basically saying “Feel free to search for answers when you need them and God will grant wisdom when you need to know something. But even when you don’t have answers, you need to keep trusting in God by faith.”

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

So you investigated the scientific mechanisms of certain things in as much detail as possible to see if it coincides with what the bible says? Come on, that's nonsense. For starters, you've seem to not know what science is. To give an example of what you should know to see if the bible coincides, you should investigate all aspects of biological evolution, both at a molecular genetic, comparative and ecological levels. Are you going to tell me you know everything about that, everything about how organisms originated, how certain features formed from other features, how they were used in the environment and the environmental pressures? Researchers who have PhDs in the field cant all do that. If you truly are that brilliant, then publish in the scientific literature.

I don’t know EVERYTHING about it, no. But I’ve studied it (evolution, for example) enough to know that there is a possibility that it isn’t real; therefore knowing that the bible could be real. That's what I know by evidence. And from there, knowing there is a possibility that the bible is true, I went by faith from there to believe the bible 100%.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

This makes no sense. You're saying some can be disproven yet all of it is proven.

That’s actually opposite of what I said. I said some of it can be proven (meaning there is for sure proof of SOME things in the bible, but not all)…...but none if it can be disproven (meaning that while science suggests the chance that the bible isn’t accurate, there is none of the bible that they can disprove for sure).

Originally Posted by Xujhan

Evolution handily disproves the Genesis myth.

Evolution can't be proven though. That's why it's called the theory of evolution.

Originally Posted by Xujhan

If you think this, then you misunderstand what science is. If god did exist and actually was "beyond the reach of science", that would mean that it is impossible for any of us to have any experience or knowledge of him. I'm sure that's not what you're actually claiming.

I'm trying to figure out how to word what I'm trying to say. God is more powerful than anything, including science. He can make Himself known when He wants to and leave some things mystery for us to choose Him by faith if He wants to.

Originally Posted by Xujhan

You don't support gay marriage!? Gay people just want to love one another, why are you so mean to them?

We are getting way off topic here. It's not mean to not support something that someone does. If someone lied to you, you wouldn't support that, right? So is that mean of you to not support that, even if you still love them just the same and don't even say anything to them about it- you just simply don't support what they did? No, it's not mean at all. If I was bullying them, constantly nagging them about their choices, hating them, ignoring them for their choices, etc. -THAT would be mean. It is not mean to just not support what someone does. Oh, and the "gay people just want to love one another" thing....you can love someone without being romantically involved with them. It's not the love that I'm against, it's the romance. There are females who I love, but I am not romantically involved with them or lusting after them.

But anyways, like I said, this is SO off topic. I only brought up gay marriage as an example of something that Christians would have to give up. And it's not going to do us any good to debate about it because niether of us are going to change our opinions. If you have any serious questions for me about my views on marriage, send me a private message. But otherwise, let's just drop it.

Originally Posted by Xujhan

Ding! Pascal's wager. What would happen to you if after you die, the Muslims were right? Or the Jews? Or the Greeks, the Norse, the Pastfarians, etc etc. Or heck, what if you are right? What if you die and get to heaven and realize you get to spend an eternity with the same being who thought that - for Pharaoh's arrogance - the firstborn child of every family in Egypt should die. Are you willing to take the chance that the bible is right, and that the god you worship caused or called for the deaths of over 2,000,000 people?

If the muslims/jews/greeks/etc. were right......that's honestly not something that I think about because I know that they aren't. I know that's no debate, but I really have nothing else to say.

God doesn't do those things any more. He did them in the old testament, but then He sent Jesus to take that punishment for us because He didn't want to punish us like that. So yes, I am willing and joyful to spend the rest of eternity with Him. There is going to be no torture/death/sadness/anything negative in Heaven.