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Re: Science, religion...thoughts -
March 25th 2011, 12:51 AM
Evidence can never prove anything to anyone. Someone can present a case, but evidence is never 100% infallible, nor 100% guaranteed to prove anything. I believe one day I will die. But this is not a guarantee. That is, the people I've observed, the people I have witnessed, are all mortals, I believe I am a mortal, and I believe all mortals die because this is what I've witnessed. However, until that day comes, there is a chance, if even .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00001% chance, that I will not die. Science itself cannot PROVE anything to anyone, nor can anything be true or not true, just supportable.
There is evidence that Christ existed, and there is evidence of the things He has done, and many of them are supernatural. Some believe this evidence is enough to believe He was/is God, others believe that it was just magic, others believe He was just another religious figure, despite the evidence of what He has done.
I disagree with the notion that there is no support for Christ at least being able to do supernatural things, even if you don't believe He is God. The difference is, many people will not accept the evidence as provable to them that He is God, or they deny the evidence of it all together. The reality is that we have many historical documents (needless to present here as there are countless books written on the subject) which prove Christ was either A) A Magician B) Supernatural D) God. There's no denying this. I mean, really, I'm fairly certain every person here believes one of those 3 options, or they simply deny the evidence and recordings of what Christ has done, and dismiss them as rubish, concluding that Jesus was only a man with nothing special. Yet even Christ's genealogy is somewhat of a mystery -- that is -- it would be nearly impossible to fake Christ's birth, of which was prophesied exactly as it happened 3,000 years before He was even birthed.
If we had a YouTube recording of Christ performing His miracles, people would go out of their way to discredit the videos. They'd claim it was Hollywood, a hoax, a performance, that He was just a great magician. Why? The same reason the Jews and others refused to believe that Christ was God back then. 1) Because they inclined to obey Him if He is God. And people want to live their life the way they want to. 2) Because His testimony of man was that they are evil, and only continually so -- who wants to believe that? and 3) Because His teachings were difficult. Not difficult to understand, but difficult to accept. It's not every day you hear someone telling others that if you wish to enter the kingdom of God that you must cut off your hand if it causes you to sin. I mean, let's face it. People wanted to crucify Christ because of how harsh His teachings were. I don't doubt we'd want something similar to day, if He were here. Even in the Christian church. I'm sure the self-righteous in our churches would still want Him re-crucified, even after professing the name of Christ.
I mean really, I don't understand what "evidence" people want. Christ was performing many miracles in front of people while He was here, and people didn't believe Him then. And I don't expect people to believe Him now, without even witnessing His miracles. The reality is, as I said, even if we could watch Him do the things He did, we still wouldn't believe it, and we still wouldn't think He was God. In regards to the "evidence" of who Christ is, really, instead of debating it back and forth, and quoting source after source, if you REALLY want to know, it doesn't take much to google. I can literally think of 7 books on the top of my head. Not philosophical books, simply books providing evidence of Christs being God. But again, it cannot ever be 100% provable to anyone. Everyone must decide what is sufficient. And I'm certain that there is nothing sufficient for any of us because none of us want to believe He is God. Not that there isn't enough, simply that we will continually refuse it.
"Daniel broke the kings decree, Peter stepped from the ship to the sea, there was hope for Job like a cut down tree... I hope that there's such hope for me... Blind as I've become, I used to wonder where you were. These days I can't find where You're not. Mine's been a yard carefully surface tended, foxes burrowed underground. Gardening so highly self-recommended, what could I have done but let You down? The sun and the moon, I want to see both worlds as one." -Aaron Weiss, mewithoutYou
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