[Megan1]

Originally Posted by Natsumi

I understand what you're saying, and it's really interesting to hear it like that. But what scientific evidence is there to say that Jesus is God? As far as I'm aware, there is evidence to suggest that Jesus did exist but is there really any kind of tangible evidence to say he was God?

Originally Posted by MonsterCosmonaut

No, there isn't. We know he existed but that's about the extent of it. There's nothing more than that.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

If there is scientific evidence of that, can you present it?

I didn’t mean 100% evidence that can prove it without any doubt, obviously that doesn’t exist or everyone with a brain would be a Christian. It’s more evidence like…..if He wasn’t God, these things would be the biggest coincidences ever. Things like all of the prophecy that He fulfilled without even trying (like being killed on the cross, betrayed by His own people, pierced with a sword on one side, having people gamble for His clothes, etc). There is definite evidence that it was predicted hundreds of years earlier that the Messiah would have that happen to Him, there is definite evidence that Jesus had that happen to Him, and there is definite evidence that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. So from there, you have to decide if you believe that He was God or if you believe that it was the biggest coincidence to ever happen. There is SO much more evidence like that (most of which isn’t 100% evidence but still makes it really obvious that He is God), that was just one example. I can’t think of a lot of them off the top of my head, but it’s all in the book The Case for Christ if any of you have any desire to read it….although you probably don’t.

And again, I know for 100% certain in my soul that Jesus is God; I would believe that just the same even if there was absolutely no evidence. I’m just explaining the evidence because you asked. And I'm not going to debate about whether or not Jesus is God, because I know it by faith not by evidence- therefor I have no way to debate.

Originally Posted by MonsterCosmonaut

Plus, if you believe that God is above Science, how can Science prove that Jesus is God?

I actually almost didn't post in this topic because I knew that someone was going to reply saying this. But what I meant is like....nobody can go up into Heaven and find God and scientifically prove Him, so isn't it reasonable to say that if there is a God, people on Earth wouldn't have definite proof of Him? And like I just said above, there is circumstantial evidence of Jesus/God, just not without-a-shadow-of-a-doubt evidence.

Originally Posted by MonsterCosmonaut

Not really. It's just incredibly convenient that he could be above science:

You honestly think that God who is powerful enough to create and do all of the things that He has done wouldn't be powerful enough to go beyond science?

Originally Posted by MonsterCosmonaut

I don't really agree with that, and I think that if ther is a God that I would be no smarter for it. I mean, let's be honest, God does not teach you how the universe works. He does not grant you wisdom, and he shows no power. Creating the universe doesn't count, because it's debatable if he did. If God needs no beginning or creator, why does the universe? Anyway, have you learned anything about how the universe works since you started believing in him? Nope. Know why? Because religion, especially Christianity, teaches you to be content with not understanding the universe, because once you start to, you start to unravel religion itself.

Actually, I have learned a lot about the universe/world since becoming a Christian. God does grant knowledge and understanding; the bible even says so. No I don't know every detail about the universe and how it works, but nobody does reguardless of if you believe in Christianity or scientology or anywhere in between. But I do know just as much about the universe as an average person my age who doesn't believe in God. The bible explains and/or proves pretty much everything. The book The Case for a Creator explains a lot of that too- it is pretty much a book that gives scientific evidence and background to how God created the Earth and such.

And I mean....yes you still have to walk by faith and not by sight, but the bible DOES back up mostly everything on this Earth. It doesn't go at all against it anyways.

And on top of that, in my original post I never even said that God makes us smarter....I simply said that we should trust God instead of trusting our own understanding.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

The same goes the other way as well. What if there is no god, then you've lived your life for something that isn't there as though it was all a big waste of time. Alternatively, maybe there is a god but what if it's not your god? In that case you and I may both be screwed or both benefited or only one benefited.

I know that Jesus is God, but just for the sake of answering your question I am going to say this......If I was wrong about God, what would I loose? The only things that I would have missed out on are drunkeness, aimless dating, sex before marriage, getting to be mean to people when I want to, supporting gay marriage......um.........even if there wasn't a God, I'd trade all of that just for the church activities that I've gotten to participate in and the friends that I've made through church! So even if I was wrong (though I'm not), it would have been worth it.

But if everyone else is wrong and I'm right, what do they loose? After their life on Earth is over, they loose everything.

I'm not a Christian for what I can get out of it though, I simply said all of this to answer your question.

Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!

You're giving god certain qualities as though all gods may share the same qualities as yours. If you're going to start saying there may be a god, then you don't know what the qualities will necessarily be. You're biased because of your beliefs and you're clearly unable to separate them even when you're being hypothetical.

Well yes I was referring to the living God (Father/Son/Holy Spirit), and if it makes me biased to be close minded to anything but the truth, then fine I'm biased.

But either way, don't you think that if any god existed, whether it be my God or not, that since the god would rule over everything and everyone, they would be poweful enough to go beyond science? That really is a quality for all gods anyways.