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Re: Religion that ruins lives. - July 31st 2010, 03:34 PM

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That's good you'll look into it further but by continuing to say this, meaning you don't know what it is yet you still disagree, it's not going well for you.
I don't know everything about it, but I have an opinion on the parts that I know so far.

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To save time, I'll do it for you:

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
Well I still see nothing about raping children in there, which I thought was what we were talking about- someone said that that was in the bible.....But anyways, I understand your point that God called for things like that back then and I said that He wouldn't want that....Things were VERY different then, and that does NOT apply to today. That was written in a specific context for a specifc group of people. Not for us and not for now.

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As true as that may be, the bible says in various books not to ignore it. It's even said by Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20)
I completely agree that we can't ignore the Old Testament. BUT, like I said, we can't take things out of context. Just because in the stories, God ordered specific people to destroy other specific people- does NOT mean that we have the right to do that to people now. God did not order US to do that, he ordered those people in those stories to. Like Noah and the ark for example....Just because God ordered Noah to build an ark and it is in our bible, does not mean that we are all supposed to go build arks. Does that make sense? Some of those orders in the bible were for specific people.

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Sad to say, although that is possible, so much of the Old Testament contradicts with itself and the New Testament, it's impossible to agree with all of it. You'd be agreeing with countless contradictions, which you can if you want but it'd mean you'll have to pick one side or another in order for it to not contradict. Hence, agreeing in 100% of it isn't possible.
Read the comment that I wrote for the above quote, I think it will explain this too.

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Regardless of which pastor or priest you ask, any Christian or other person who has read even a page of the bible will tell you that you cannot know god's will. You can think that god may doubt something but as said in the bible, which you agree with 100%, you have no place to say what god wants because you don't know enough. It certainly doesn't fit with the laws and morals but those are what humans use to understand each other, not to understand god.
You're right, and I never said that I knew God's complete will for sure. I said "I really really doubt that is what he wants"...And if you go by the ten commandments and Jesus' teaching, it definitely doesn't go along with that.