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Originally Posted by Vlora
I think you mean mormons?
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Did not mean to write morons.
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EDIT: This section was added after Megan's post below.
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As true as that may be, the bible says in various books not to ignore it. It's even said by Jesus:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20)
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As Megan (post below) points out, not all of the OT is law. Some are accounts. The examples of the nationof Israel going to war is not Law. Nonetheless on the topic of Law, Paul talks about the Law quite a lot. He points out the Law is good, etc, the point is, that righteousness of Christian's comes from Grace, apart from the Law. Christians have been set free from the Law. No one can fully keep the Law, and the Law brings death. The Law is why, in fact, we need grace. When people say 'The Laws of the OT don't count', they don't mean they are rendered null, and should be forgotten, I mean, even the fact we still have them in our Bibles should say something. But the purpose of them has changed. Romans 3 is one of the places he talks about this (its from Bible gateway, hence the reference letters, just because Im not going through deleting them):
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1What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God. 3What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God's faithfulness? 4Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written:
"So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge."[a]
5But if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?" 8Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is deserved.
9What shall we conclude then? Are we any better[b]? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."[c]
13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."[d]
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."[e]
14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."[f]
15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery mark their ways,
17and the way of peace they do not know."[g]
18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."[h] 19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. 27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
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But hey, Christianity must be doing something right if you feel they should be close to the OT, regardless of the NT, because they are far stricter morally, and far more right-wing and fundamental, on average, than the Jews (Jews are generally most progressive, and socially accepting. For example, most Jewish denominations, excluding some of the very orthadox, except gays, and even marry them), who only have the OT. Personally I would think something is wrong here, but it may put your mind at ease for consistancy.
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Originally Posted by WOW!USaidSomethingSmart!
Sad to say, although that is possible, so much of the Old Testament contradicts with itself and the New Testament, it's impossible to agree with all of it. You'd be agreeing with countless contradictions, which you can if you want but it'd mean you'll have to pick one side or another in order for it to not contradict. Hence, agreeing in 100% of it isn't possible.
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Dude, stay on topic. You can't turn every thread to bash people for being Bible believing Christians. Safe space. You want to do this sort of thing, make a thread, I'm sure she'll go there. But get a grip, to someone who actually believes in the God of the Bible, and that the Bible is his written word, although you have gone and learnt stuff, you come across as still both ignorant and arrogant, because although you may have learnt some stuff, you are reading it for the purpose of bashing, so you don't see it in the completed picture Christians feel is there. And to be frank, if it's not in a discussion for that purpose, but elsewhere, it's simply annoying. Let me give you an example of how annoying it is from something you might understand - creationalists, in every thread, talking about evolution like they know it in and out.
And back to the thread, many societies have had male polygamy - that is men having multiple wives. And although sexist, they didn't condemn child rape, and a certain level of behaviour was expected toward wives, unless it went through legal services. So these people in the first post are not even doing it because such a practice leads to it, but because they desire to. But as I said before, I think interpersonal relationships, religion or not, should be mediated by most importantly consent, but then society's laws (to an extent). Consent being most important, because, well, society isn't always the most liberal of places. For example in the UK, many BDSM (kinky sexual) practices are not legal, but I feel if there are consenting adults, playing (as) safe (as they can), with a chance to leave when they want, is fine. Basically, I think consent is a better excuse for behaviour than religion.