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Originally Posted by MrsCVBerg
A flower, really? Come on, now.
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Read what you said: "If you kill something that is alive (and yes, even if you consider it a "bunch of cells", those cells are still alive and growing all the time), you're a murderer." It does include a live plant.
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Originally Posted by MrsCVBerg
I'm not really talking about medically necessary abortions. I'm talking about the "I got knocked up by accident and don't want the baby" kind of abortions.
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In that post I was quoting you failed to specify what kind but fair enough on your view.
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Originally Posted by Algernon
That's fine, you can say what you believe. But just because someone says it is, doesn't make it true. You killed someone/something, It's murder. You can't say, "Oh well... hm hm, well Watson, we didn't exactly murder him we just kind of threw him down some flights of stairs. It was an accident and wasn't planned, It just happened dear Watson... It just happened."
I'd like to see someone on the stand for murder and say, "yeah, I shot him, but It wasn't murder." 
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... . I'm saying it's true because it's what the law says, not what I believe. There have been numerous debates in law about this and the center point is two-fold. First, both sides accept the legal definition of murder and the various forms of it. Second, whether a fetus is a person, not a human or lump of cells but a person. Your posts aren't accepting either part and so this is why I'm saying your view makes no sense as you're arguing on a completely different plane.
For your scenario, read this on involuntary manslaughter. It also can help you figure out what murder is so you can use the proper legal definition of it before attempting to say abortion is or isn't murder. It's been explained plenty of times and you ignore it each time so maybe the link can make it clear.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...y+manslaughter