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Originally Posted by PunkRoxS9
Don't attack me!! I've already said I'm not being insensitive as I have been a victim of sexual abuse.
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This is a debate forum, people will argue against you if they feel inclined to do so. Attacking you would mean insulting you and what happened to you, which is not happening. When someone says you're insensitive, it's their perception of you so it doesn't matter if you describe yourself as being sensitive, it's their judgment on your behavior and in this case, also text.
Sexual abuse is one thing, rape is another thing so while I sympathize with you, I think it's irrelevant to mention you've experienced abuse that was not rape.
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That's kinda cruel don' you think, taking someones life for someones else's crimes?
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Think about it this way: suppose the mother keeps the fetus growing inside of her and everyday has to look and have others comment on her pregnancy, each time to be reminded of the rape and the part of the rapist that's growing inside of her. But let's take your way, let's say she does continue the pregnancy. The baby now has no father it will know, unless the rapist decides to be a father so in all odds, the mother will have to raise the child herself. If she gets family or friends to help out, especially if she is a teenager, she may be an unfit mother. Thus, we have a baby whose mother is likely traumatized, the baby has no father it knows and the mother may not be a very fit mother. I mentioned traumatization because it's been shown the rape victims over 15 years after the incident still are traumatized (i.e. PTSD diagnosis, rape trauma syndrome).
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Originally Posted by PunkRoxS9
Adoption is the way to do things, not abortion, give the baby up for a family who will love it despite its violent beginning.
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So the mother has to have the part of the rapist growing inside of her and then once born, look at a baby who is 50% her rapist? Seems rather cruel to me.
Are you also aware that foster homes are not exactly the most pleasant place in the world, especially for young children? You keep the children alive but from what I've heard, including from on
TH, foster homes are not a wonderful place. As it currently is, foster homes are over-crowded and under-funded, with many being shut down left, right and center. It's great when the child gets adopted but waiting to be adopted, being sent back or getting adopted by an abusive family are all possibilities.
To me, it seems like your concern is not the well-being of the soon-to-be child but rather simply keeping it alive and whatever happens after its alive happens, and whatever the mother and other people involved experienced you have ignored.
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Originally Posted by PunkRoxS9
My ex's birth dad used to kick the shit out of him and his mum, but my ex didnt turn out to kick the shit out of others. There isn't a "rape gene" thats passed on or anything.
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True but the same is said for numerous behaviors. Also, you don't need a single gene for a single behavior, if anything it's a combination of genes (ignoring the psychosocial contribution). There are also adaptive behaviors a person can have, so even if they were abused or statistically their risks should make it more likely they'd have a certain disorder, their protective or adaptive behaviors can counter those risks. Amazingly, there is no single gene for any of these either, so your single-gene argument is dismissed.
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Abortion is murder. period.
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Murder is a crime and according to the law, abortion is not murder. You can disagree all you want but when you say it's murder according to the law, you're going to have to use the law which disagrees with you. Allow me to explain. A fetus is a human being but it is not a person because a person has duties, responsibilities, must adhere to certain laws and so forth. A fetus can do none of that, thus it is not a person.
Another reason though, there are various types of murder and the one closest to abortion is infanticide, however, that's applicable to an infant or a baby. For an abortion, that is not the case, it's a fetus, hence, abortion is not murder.
If you have a counter-argument that takes into consideration the law, then I'd be happy to hear it.