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Re: Can you look at religion scientifically, and still believe God exists? - July 25th 2009, 10:25 PM

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Actually God created Man and gave him free will. Everything was good UNTIL man was tricked by the devil(whom was evil) and ate the fruit. Technically man created bad(on this earth), which I think is quite the accomplishment, aye?
Technically it sounds like the Adam and Eve tale accuses humanity of being guilty of learning. It almost sounds like the "right" thing to do would be to remain ignorant and live like dumb animals.

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God also has rules as well. Think of it like this, that saint may have been good all his life, but by not accepting God(according to the faith), he broke the only rule and can not be accepted into heaven. Plus, even the most saintly person sins. That would be like a person cheating on a test but saying, "well I got all the right answers, why wont you give me my score." If Hitler at the very last moment went ahead and completed the test without cheating, then he gets in, no matter how many other tests he cheated on before. Same with the saint. Up until your last moment you have until you can accept him. If you can't follow one simple rule, why should God let you into his heaven?
And I suppose that doesn't sound WRONG in any way to you? The saint carries no malicious intent, he isn't exactly "cheating" as you so describe it. It would be in fact more accurate to say that he was ACCUSED of cheating, and nobody believed him. The saint does not conspire to cheat.
Hitler on the other hand would be a 100% cheater even to the end. He cheats, but he believes he's doing the right thing, and because of that belief, he is rewarded for cheating.

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God had not forced anyone to follow him. He has made us with our own free will and our own free choices. If we do not choose to follow him, well that's all fine and dandy. But if you don't follow the rules then I don't see why should he let you in.
Parents love their children, but that don't mean they aren't to be punished when they break the rules. Some actions just bring much worse punishment then others. That does not mean when they are punished that God hates them, no.
He already gave people free will, he gave them a rule book, he told them what they can and can not do, gave them the pros and consequences. Now what kind of a parent would he be if he did not follow the rules he set himself? He said he would bring those who accepted him into his home, and only those. And that is what he will do.
Let me tell you what God and his "rules" are.
God is sort of like my mother.
She beats me, at 6 years old, for CRYING. The harder I cry, the harder she beats me until I shut the **** up. Yet what 6 year old doesn't cry? Especially when beaten with the belt buckle?

That is God. God makes rules that is simply physically and psychologically IMPOSSIBLE to abide by. It's like saying that if you're over 6 inches tall, you're guilty and I'm going to condemn you to an eternity of suffering, but you can get out of it easy by kissing my ass.

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Just like you said the man quoted something out of context, so have you.
God may love all, but he protects HIS people first. He was saying that if they wanted to attack X people whom had sought to harm them or blasphemed God, then that is how they would have to do it. God would not fight their battles for them, but show them how to do it in order to win.

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15Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

18That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
Hmm, no matter how you look at that, it sounds like God is suggesting that we should utterly and mercilessly wipe out anyone with a different religious belief. It seems like everyone is to be wiped out, and that the entire city itself is guilty. Which is irrational of course.
Even if a SMALL group of fanatics from one city attacks them(or the governing body that rules over them), it's not like 100% of the city is responsible for it.

But if you feel the urge to go on a crusade for religious genocide, feel free.


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