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Originally Posted by slickguy55
I’m not assuming crap. I am watching it happen before my eyes everyday. You’re right, the gays don’t have an agenda to change the church, they (and their cockroach political leader) have an agenda to destroy religion completely. You will deny that because you don’t realize that drastic things happen at a slow crawl. But there are 159 MILLION Christians in this country that will NEVER let that happen. You are so incredibly ignorant with your pathetic argument that says we believe what we believe because the “bible says so”. We believe what we believe because of the moral direction of the country, and the structure of the life of average citizens which is the backbone of the nation.
We live in a democracy I thought? The people decide what happens, and the people decided that THEY DON”T WANT THIS CRAP. And you sit there in shock and awe because you believe that most people support gay marriage. Again, your ridiculous “I’m rebellious because I’m anit-religion” attitude is out spoken. The vote didn’t go your way so you start blaming a certain group of people, which you make clear with this post; and that is discrimination, the same discrimination you think you righteously fighting against. So get the hell over the fact that you believe our opinion is invalid because of what we believe and because of the moral direction we want for the country.
Marriage came from religion and it IS religious, no matter how badly you don’t want that to be true. And the “atheists get married” argument is invalid because marriage is about a man and a woman developing a family. So no, actually you are the one who is wrong.
So she’s typing on her computer in Canada, how is she in the jurisdiction of the United States? Here’s the answer: she isn’t. So your wrong again.
You keep on bitching about the Christians being too powerful. The congress is controlled by dems, most of them liberal, and they go against Christian teachings. Christians are powerful because of their population, and if they control that majority of the country, shouldn’t the laws somewhat agree with their beliefs? Does that make too much sense for you?
Why? Because our country is a democracy and it bothers you when the majority of our country doesn’t agree with you? You are just foolish. You are the type that would rather live in a dictatorship operated by your political spectrum. You have no respect for common people and their opinions, you don’t get your way so you bitch and accuse to majority of the voters of being blind and uninformed. In reality you are the one who is uninformed and out of touch with the reality of our country.
You are confusing us not wanting gay to be married with us forcing a group of people to become Christian. The rights can be obtained by a civil union so therefore no one is being denied rights, the only thing that is happening is that Christians are trying to save the image and meaning of marriage, something that came from them.
And they CAN OBTAIN THOSE RIGHTS THROUGH CIVIL UNION. So they are being denied shit, except the ability to ruin the image of something created by religion.
If the entire middle east elected the Taliban to run their country and supported their view points then yeah, it would be the same. But that’s not true, meaning your ridiculous comparison is a poor one.
And how will allowing gay marriage improve that?
That is ridiculous. Since they can obtain benefits from a civil union, there is nothing you can show that proves gays are treated as second class citizens.
Maybe you should read the entire debate I had with that person. Instead you just take one sentence from a random post, take it out of context, and try to use it to support your point. It is a popular tactic with ignorant liberals who can’t argue with their own thoughts.
No wonder you don’t know shit about marriage. Maybe you should do some research on marriage in society amongst the actual majority of the citizens in the middle ages if you don’t believe it is religious; instead of watching too many god damn movies like Braveheart or something where they marry for land, and then taking incidents like that as your accepted view of what marriage was in those times .The bolded point is by far the most ignorant thing you have said. Parents don’t have to sit back and accept a god damn thing. Their tax dollars pay for the schools, so if they disagree with something then the last thing that they HAVE to do it accept it. We control the government, the government does not control us.
And as I said, there are 159 million Christians. If 159 million people don’t want their kids learning this crap in school then they should not be forced to pay for a private school just to save their child’s mind from the numerous amounts of liberal bullshit in our schools.
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You are assuming again. You are assuming that every single Christian in this country is against gay marriage. Let me enlighten you, there are some Christians who are gay and there are some Christians who are liberal and they are either all for gay marriage or don't really care. Not all Christians are stuck in the past, the see that gay couples deserve the same rights as hetero couples, which is something they DO NOT get from civil unions. Also since you obviously don't know this, civil unions are only allowed in very few states.
Now let's see the origin of marriage, "It is very hard to be able to establish a true date on the first marriages although the Old Testament in the Bible does mention a little about marriage as it was considered a family and household affair. The oldest male relative was the caretaker of the girls and the prospective husband would ask the father for the girl after first bringing him gifts to win his approval. The mother was dominated by the father and had no choice in the matter. The father would transfer the daughter to the prospective husband in public as this showed that he approved this transfer and that the groom had the father's approval. After this transfer the bride and groom ate a meal together with the families and then the groom took the bride home. In the Old Testament of the Bible there is no mention of a formal exchange of vows or of a preacher or priest being present at this union."
Look at that religion wasn't involved with marriage at first, even the Bible says so. I will concede that marriage is NOW almost completely a religious institution, however the religious part of marriage means nothing unless the couple gets the correct legal part as well, you know a marriage lisence, that thing that has nothing to do with religion and should be available for everyone. I mean can you give me a good reason why a marriage lisence should be denied to homosexual couples? Hmmm? It has nothing to do with the church, completely has to do with the legal issues nothing else, so where's your reason? Is it because you think that if we give homosexual couples that then it will just plow the way for them to "take over the church"? Think logically about that and you will see that it will never happen, because that would be something that your 159 million Christians would agree on and prevent from happening, so don't worry so much.
I must be honest every time you mentioned morals in you post I wanted to scream. I don't know who died and made Chrisitanity the authority of morals but you need to understand we live in a country that is supposed to have Separation of Church and State. You Christians can get you morals from wherever you like but I wish you could respect that the rest of us get our morals from either their own religions, or for us atheists, common sense.