[slickguy55]

I think that you are assuming. I think most gays would be happy to just be allowed to get married. The individual gay does not have an “agenda” to make the churches accept them. The media might, but the individuals do not. Also, having gay marriage is not forcing anyone’s views on ANYONE. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to have any part of it. The views being forced on everyone are those of the religious, who want gay marriage not to happen because “the Bible says so.” And because of someone else’s religion, gays are not allowed to marry. Because of religion. It really all comes down to that. People are refusing to be objective about what gay marriage actually is, and just doing what they think they should because “the Bible says so.”

I’m not assuming crap. I am watching it happen before my eyes everyday. You’re right, the gays don’t have an agenda to change the church, they (and their cockroach political leader) have an agenda to destroy religion completely. You will deny that because you don’t realize that drastic things happen at a slow crawl. But there are 159 MILLION Christians in this country that will NEVER let that happen. You are so incredibly ignorant with your pathetic argument that says we believe what we believe because the “bible says so”. We believe what we believe because of the moral direction of the country, and the structure of the life of average citizens which is the backbone of the nation.

Not when it comes to the vote (as with Proposition 8) and the majority of the voters are Christian or some other religion that can’t keep it’s nose out of people’s business.

We live in a democracy I thought? The people decide what happens, and the people decided that THEY DON”T WANT THIS CRAP. And you sit there in shock and awe because you believe that most people support gay marriage. Again, your ridiculous “I’m rebellious because I’m anit-religion” attitude is out spoken. The vote didn’t go your way so you start blaming a certain group of people, which you make clear with this post; and that is discrimination, the same discrimination you think you righteously fighting against. So get the hell over the fact that you believe our opinion is invalid because of what we believe and because of the moral direction we want for the country.

Wrong. Marriage isn’t always holy, and not everyone is Christian. Marriage isn’t Christian, so I honestly couldn’t care less what the Christian definition of marriage is.

Marriage came from religion and it IS religious, no matter how badly you don’t want that to be true. And the “atheists get married” argument is invalid because marriage is about a man and a woman developing a family. So no, actually you are the one who is wrong.

“The Equal Protection Clause, part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, provides that "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

So she’s typing on her computer in Canada, how is she in the jurisdiction of the United States? Here’s the answer: she isn’t. So your wrong again.

We are not talking about hating Christians or what they abolish in their church. Most gays don’t give a DAMN what the Christians abolish in their church. It gets a little bit sticky, though, when the Christians start to abolish things in the state that don’t hurt anyone just because they CAN. Because they have the majority.

You keep on bitching about the Christians being too powerful. The congress is controlled by dems, most of them liberal, and they go against Christian teachings. Christians are powerful because of their population, and if they control that majority of the country, shouldn’t the laws somewhat agree with their beliefs? Does that make too much sense for you?

No they aren’t. They are simply saying the Christians should keep their church separate from our government. They are forcing their beliefs on other people. If they can’t be objective about a vote such as Prop 8 maybe they shouldn’t have voted in the first place. But of course, they DO have the right to cast their vote for any reason, or no reason. It’s just that the fact is, marriage is secular. And the Christians, being the majority, are essentially making the votes on gay marriage non-secular.

Why? Because our country is a democracy and it bothers you when the majority of our country doesn’t agree with you? You are just foolish. You are the type that would rather live in a dictatorship operated by your political spectrum. You have no respect for common people and their opinions, you don’t get your way so you bitch and accuse to majority of the voters of being blind and uninformed. In reality you are the one who is uninformed and out of touch with the reality of our country.

The minority is being wronged. They aren’t allowed to get married (which, by the way, is not going to affect you personally). Them getting married doesn’t hurt ANYONE, but just because some people don’t like the idea they are choosing to shove that down other people’s throats because the Bible says so. Basically, all it’s doing is not allowing rights. Either way, gays will be together. All you’re doing is denying rights to people that have nothing to do with the church.

You are confusing us not wanting gay to be married with us forcing a group of people to become Christian. The rights can be obtained by a civil union so therefore no one is being denied rights, the only thing that is happening is that Christians are trying to save the image and meaning of marriage, something that came from them.

Actually, you are way off base. ”The Equal Protection Clause, part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, provides that "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

And they CAN OBTAIN THOSE RIGHTS THROUGH CIVIL UNION. So they are being denied shit, except the ability to ruin the image of something created by religion.

The majority of the movement does not want to infiltrate the church. They just want to get married. The ones in charge don’t represent or speak for the whole movement either, their agenda is generally not the agenda of the individual homosexual. That’s like blaming terrorism of the Taliban and/or Al-Qaeda on every person in the Middle East just because the terrorists have so much power (in that they are recognized and given much attention, like politicians with their agendas). Just because they get so much attention doesn’t mean that it what everyone or even the majority is pushing for. They just want to get married.

If the entire middle east elected the Taliban to run their country and supported their view points then yeah, it would be the same. But that’s not true, meaning your ridiculous comparison is a poor one.

In California, about 3/4 of marriages end in divorce (I think that was a statistic from 2004, will get back to you on that one). If anything is ruining the sanctity of marriage it is that. Just throwing that out there.

And how will allowing gay marriage improve that?

Just because the gays don’t have it as bad as the African Americans did doesn’t mean that they aren’t second class citizens. There are different degrees of second class, but if it isn’t first class, it’s second class. Gays aren’t first class.

That is ridiculous. Since they can obtain benefits from a civil union, there is nothing you can show that proves gays are treated as second class citizens.

Gays aren’t illegal immigrants. They aren’t taking jobs or taking rights etc. from people. lol.

Maybe you should read the entire debate I had with that person. Instead you just take one sentence from a random post, take it out of context, and try to use it to support your point. It is a popular tactic with ignorant liberals who can’t argue with their own thoughts.

As you have already said, there are politicians with an agenda, you will be hard-pressed to find gays with an “agenda” to change churches and schools. Besides, kids are ALREADY being taught about gays in school. For one thing, marriage isn’t really talked about in school in the first place. (I can’t remember a single time when a teacher taught about marriage.) Second of all, if a kid is going to public school the parent has to accept that through some teachers who don’t folllow the rules or by other kids, their children WILL learn about gays. However, you will mostly find that teachers don’t really talk about these things anyway. Gays getting married doesn’t mean all of the sudden teachers are going to start talking about marriage when they didn’t before. So they can send their kids to a private school, or risk them being corrupted by the real world. The real world has gay people in it and whether they believe in it or not, it’s something that they are going to know about if they go to a public school because in a public school there are lots of kids who come from families with differing beliefs etc. If parents are that worried about their kids learning things in school, maybe they should just homeschool them because if they are going to learn that being gay is right from ANYONE it will be from their peers, not their teachers.

No wonder you don’t know shit about marriage. Maybe you should do some research on marriage in society amongst the actual majority of the citizens in the middle ages if you don’t believe it is religious; instead of watching too many god damn movies like Braveheart or something where they marry for land, and then taking incidents like that as your accepted view of what marriage was in those times .The bolded point is by far the most ignorant thing you have said. Parents don’t have to sit back and accept a god damn thing. Their tax dollars pay for the schools, so if they disagree with something then the last thing that they HAVE to do it accept it. We control the government, the government does not control us.
And as I said, there are 159 million Christians. If 159 million people don’t want their kids learning this crap in school then they should not be forced to pay for a private school just to save their child’s mind from the numerous amounts of liberal bullshit in our schools.