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Re: Can you look at religion scientifically, and still believe God exists? - July 23rd 2009, 05:32 AM
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We can go on and on all day about the flaws of evolution and the big bang theory, but I know nothing I can do will change your mind on it; because the only thing that can do so is God's word. I suggest reading Genesis 1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+1-2 it goes into great detail about how the world was created. In fact the Bible tells us the world was a sphere. It tells us the world was expanded over empty space. It gives descriptions that no other doctrine has ever provided of creation, and all have been proven true through science.
In this you are utterly mistaken: the word of god has no chance of changing my mind; evidence does. If someone comes up with a sounder theory than evolution, I'll happily consider it. If someone finds strong evidence to disbelieve evolution, I'll happily consider that too. I've yet to run across either.

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Atheist you say believe there is no God. Well let's put it this way.... Science has said that man knows 1 billionth of everything there is to know, which in my opinion is a very generous estimate. So just to see this number it is

0.000000001% of everything

now let's be even more generous and assume ONE atheist on this world knows 1% of everything. There is still a 99% chance they are wrong.
I fail to completely grasp your point here. It seems you are trying to say that because we know one billionth of all there is to know that we therefore have a billion to one chance about being correct on any one thing. If so, your argument is ridiculous. I don't need to know the colours of all the computers in the world to be able to know that mine is black. That there is still much yet to be discovered doesn't invalidate what things we have discovered. If I've misinterpreted your point, please enlighten me.

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So you say God is good? He is in a way that humanly is inconceivable. But if you deny Him in this life, He will deny you in the next. I suggest reading Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards and tell me what you think after that. And here are some passages that show that even though God is a good God, He is also a Just God. We have sinned against Him, which is breaking God's law. If someone were to commit murder, would you want them punished for it? Or would you just say, you know what, it's okay. You disobeyed the Law, but I'll let it pass, you're free to go..?

God is a judge. We deserve Hell.
A judge who is himself beyond judgment is a tyrant. Torture is considered by humans to be abhorrent; why then is eternal torment acceptable when decreed by god? Morality is not determined by power. Laws exist to protect people and the welfare of society. God's laws it seems serve little purpose but to suit god's whims. If god's judgment of simple disbelief is as harsh as you believe, then I will judge god just as harshly.

Ninety-nine percent of the people I have met in my life have been good people. They deserve peace and happiness. No one deserves hell. It always has amused me that even though atheists believe that humanity is nothing more than a cosmic fluke, many of us still have more belief in the goodness of humanity than religion teaches. Any god who deals in punishment and judgment is one I want nothing of.

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Repentance is Greek for "to think differently or afterward i.e. to reconsider Repentance is dying to your sinful nature and desiring the things for God, and trusting in God fully to direct your life.

For more application on sin read Genesis 3.

Look, I know that this more than likely made no difference to your thinking; because of sin, we look for answers that are logical. The Bible is the only truth in this world. I will pray for you, I am not going to sit and argue about evolution etc etc, because I know that I am a changed person; and I know without a doubt there is a God and that there is a Heaven or Hell. I'm sorry if you chose to refuse this, I pray that it effects you, and anyone else who isn't saved. I can state facts and actually go into detailed science on how to disprove evolution, and the big bang theory; I tried giving common examples, but unfortunately human knowledge doesn't save anyone. It's by Grace through Faith, not by works or any other means... (Ephesians 2:8-9)

God bless.

Message me if you have any questions, or you would like to become saved.
"You know without a doubt that there is a god?" No, you believe without a doubt that there is a god. Note the difference. Even science does not claim to know anything absolutely. If you believe yourself capable of giving a strong, logical argument refuting evolution though, I would love to hear it. To say that the bible is the only truth in the world is ridiculous; it is as much of this world as anything else; simply also many centuries out of date. And since we are giving each other reading material, I'll direct you to The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins, if you've not read it yet.

Darwin bless.

The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours, and in time our atoms will once again reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.