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Re: Can you look at religion scientifically, and still believe God exists? - July 23rd 2009, 01:30 AM

We can go on and on all day about the flaws of evolution and the big bang theory, but I know nothing I can do will change your mind on it; because the only thing that can do so is God's word. I suggest reading Genesis 1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+1-2 it goes into great detail about how the world was created. In fact the Bible tells us the world was a sphere. It tells us the world was expanded over empty space. It gives descriptions that no other doctrine has ever provided of creation, and all have been proven true through science.

Atheist you say believe there is no God. Well let's put it this way.... Science has said that man knows 1 billionth of everything there is to know, which in my opinion is a very generous estimate. So just to see this number it is

0.000000001% of everything

now let's be even more generous and assume ONE atheist on this world knows 1% of everything. There is still a 99% chance they are wrong.

So you say God is good? He is in a way that humanly is inconceivable. But if you deny Him in this life, He will deny you in the next. I suggest reading Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards and tell me what you think after that. And here are some passages that show that even though God is a good God, He is also a Just God. We have sinned against Him, which is breaking God's law. If someone were to commit murder, would you want them punished for it? Or would you just say, you know what, it's okay. You disobeyed the Law, but I'll let it pass, you're free to go..?

God is a judge. We deserve Hell.

Matthew 7:21-24 (New American Standard Bible)

21"(A)Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22"(B)Many will say to Me on (C)that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; (D)DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Lawlessness is sin.


1 John 3:4 (New American Standard Bible)

4Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and (A)sin is lawlessness.


EVERYONE has sinned.

Romans 3:23 (New American Standard Bible)

23for all (A)have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,





Sin has separated us from God.


Isaiah 59:1-2 (New American Standard Bible)

1Behold, (A)the LORD'S hand is not so short
That it cannot save;
(B)Nor is His ear so dull
That it cannot hear.
2But your (C)iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does (D)not hear.

SIN is DEATH. Death in this passage is a SPIRITUAL separation from GOD, a.k.a HELL. But God offered a free gift.
Romans 6:23 (New American Standard Bible)

23For the wages of (A)sin is death, but the free gift of God is (B)eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.



WE MUST BE RECONCILED BACK TO GOD.

Colossians 1:19-20 (New American Standard Bible)

19For it was (A)the Father's good pleasure for all (B)the fullness to dwell in Him,
20and through Him to (C)reconcile all things to Himself, having made (D)peace through (E)the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, (F)whether things on earth or things in heaven.






JESUS is that free gift to free us from sins, God in the Human flesh. The Word is Jesus (the prophecy of the old testament).


John 1:1-5 (New American Standard Bible)

1(A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with God, and (D)the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God.
3(E)All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4(F)In Him was life, and the life was (G)the Light of men.
5(H)The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.



We escape Hell through belief that Jesus payed the penalty for our sins.


John 3:16 (New American Standard Bible)

16"For God so (A)loved the world, that He (B)gave His (C)only begotten Son, that whoever (D)believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.



Romans 10:13 (New American Standard Bible)

13for "(A)WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."



We tell God we believe we are saved through prayer.


And we MUST repent.


Luke 13:3 (New American Standard Bible)

3"I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.





Repentance is Greek for "to think differently or afterward i.e. to reconsider Repentance is dying to your sinful nature and desiring the things for God, and trusting in God fully to direct your life.


For more application on sin read Genesis 3.




Look, I know that this more than likely made no difference to your thinking; because of sin, we look for answers that are logical. The Bible is the only truth in this world. I will pray for you, I am not going to sit and argue about evolution etc etc, because I know that I am a changed person; and I know without a doubt there is a God and that there is a Heaven or Hell. I'm sorry if you chose to refuse this, I pray that it effects you, and anyone else who isn't saved. I can state facts and actually go into detailed science on how to disprove evolution, and the big bang theory; I tried giving common examples, but unfortunately human knowledge doesn't save anyone. It's by Grace through Faith, not by works or any other means... (Ephesians 2:8-9)


And I'll leave you with these versus to provoke your thought about science; and after this post I will not respond to this thread.


1 Timothy 6:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)

20O (A)Timothy, guard (B)what has been entrusted to you, avoiding (C)worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"--



Romans 1:21-25 (New American Standard Bible)

21For even though they knew God, they did not [a]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became (A)futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22(B)Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23and (C)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [b]crawling creatures.
24Therefore (D)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be (E)dishonored among them.
25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (F)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, (G)who is blessed forever. Amen.



1 Corinthians 1:19-28 (New American Standard Bible)

19For it is written,
"(A)I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."
20(B)Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of (C)this age? Has not God (D)made foolish the wisdom of (E)the world?
21For since in the wisdom of God (F)the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, (G)God was well-pleased through the (H)foolishness of the message preached to (I)save those who believe.
22For indeed (J)Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;
23but we preach [a](K)Christ crucified, (L)to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles (M)foolishness,
24but to those who are (N)the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ (O)the power of God and (P)the wisdom of God.
25Because the (Q)foolishness of God is wiser than men, and (R)the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For consider your (S)calling, brethren, that there were (T)not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;
27but (U)God has chosen the foolish things of (V)the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of (W)the world to shame the things which are strong,
28and the base things of (X)the world and the despised God has chosen, (Y)the things that are not, so that He may (Z)nullify the things that are, 29so that (A)no man may boast before God.




Psalm 19:1 (New American Standard Bible)

1The (A)heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their (B)expanse is declaring the work of His hands.

Proverbs 3:5-7 (New American Standard Bible)


5(A)Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And (B)do not lean on your own understanding.
6In all your ways (C)acknowledge Him,
And He will (D)make your paths straight.
7(E)Do not be wise in your own eyes;
(F)Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.





God bless.

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Last edited by John 6:29; July 23rd 2009 at 03:02 AM.