Hmm yes this is interesting.
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Oh I can tell this is gonna test me
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I'd send you coffee if I could. Your response seemed like it took awhile.
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We can still live our lives however we choose, there's just rewards and consequences for what we do. (Much like reality, huh?)
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Thats where society comes in. As for what God does, it's impossible to really know what exactly happens..
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And of course He cares if you believe Him! He is a jealous God, and if one of His children turns away from their Father He obviously is going to care.
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Not jealous, but more childish to me. There's a huge difference between a Father, and a Creator. He is my creator, not my father.
I created this delicious ham sandwich....But I wouldn't say I'm it's father since I created it....That'd be really strange..
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Think about this...
A man has a daughter. He's giving up part of his life to nourish this child of his and give them a good life, constantly sacrificing everything whenever the baby needs. The father goes through many points where he thinks he jst can't take it anymore, but every moment the little girl says "Daddy", or when she learns to say "I love you" makes everything worth it. At age 12, pleasant girl says to her Daddy, "I'm gonna go whore myself out. This life just doesn't seem right to me right now. I'll make money off of that and find my own house, bye." Dad is left behind, all the work walked out the door to whore herself to the world.
Yes, it is an insult to Him. More than it is an insult to any parents that has poured everything into a child only to have a child reject them.
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I view this scenario is that DAD'S fault, not the daughter's. If he would have raised her in the PROPER manner, than she wouldn't want to whore herself. He clearly did something wrong with his parenting if the daughter didn't care enough to even stay with him. He clearly did something wrong if she did what she did....I demand the whole story!
Plus, this is assuming that God was the one responsible for my upbringing. As far as I recall, my parents were the ones that raised me, not some God.
Also, do remember that when it comes to God, he doesn't have 1 daugher. He has, um, over 6 BILLION children apparently. Is he honestly expecting every single one of them to turn to his will? Yeah, I want to slap a unicorn's ass, but you know what, I know it will NEVER happen. He's dreaming if he expects that much out of everyone.
One more point....If I were a parent, I would personally give it my all to ensure that my child lives a good life and makes good decisions. However, I understand that in the end that it is MY child's decision on what he/she wants to do with their life. If they become of age and want to whore themselves out, then that's their own decision. Sure I'll be dissapointed, but my love for them wouldn't change. It's their own life, and I would view it as a failure on MY part as a parent, not as a failure of my child. But ultimatley, I raised them so in the end they could make THEIR OWN decision, not do whatever I told them.
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It's even worse for God when one of his Creation turn away. He even SACRIFICED a child of His, the Son of God, for all of us! Do you not see the love in that? He sold his son to sin, the very sin He hates, which disgusts Him! He sacrificed His son for US so that we may be saved and have eternal life! That is what the Bible says. This is what the Christian God's views are, the only God.
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He rose from the dead, and ascended to heaven with body and soul...So he kinda sacrificed him...But not really. But I'll admit, I can't make a great argument because I don't really see why God HAD to sacrifice his child for us. Was that honestly the only way? Pity.
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Yes, man did write the Bible, but it was THROUGH God that it was written. That's Biblical, that's the Christian God's, the only God's view.
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Can't really argue here, because I just view the Bible as just another book. A very influential one (I gotta respect it since an entire faith was founded upon it) but just a book. The only way this argument is going is...
Me: It was written my men..
You: Yes, but through God.
Me: Um...No..
You: Um...Yes..
Me: ....
You: .....
So we'll stop before it gets to that.
You also throw the word "biblical" like its supposed to mean something....But sorry, this word doesn't affect me....
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What do you mean by He's not the one that created them?
This God, the Christian God, The only God, would want her to follow the Bible, which is His word spoken to us that is active in all our lives. That is also biblical.
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Like I said above, the Bible was written by men...Hence, the religions based upon it are founded upon ideas of MEN, not the idea of God....But look above to see where this is going.
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You obviously have some issues understanding what a relationship with God is. Just because we are somewhat limited does not mean we are completely restricted. Faith, miracles, prayer, none of that would work or be done is there was no relationship with God.
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I never said we were completely restricted, and I agree we are limited. And I view miracles as the work of the world or humans, not an act of God.
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Humanlike qualities, funny you should mention that.
Genesis 1:27 :: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
We are in His image, so we're bound to be a bit like Him.
There is so much more to say, and I don't want to be wasting my fingers.
He wants us to worship Him, most people would love to be worshipped, to be put above by someone. And He is our Creator, so when we ignore Him, He does not like it. When Creation puts aside the Creator and does not thank Him for the life He has given to ungrateful souls, He's not going to be bursting with joy to these people and how they're living.
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So I should worship a divine human? Sorry, but this sounds like a God I want no association with.
I believe that living fully within HIS creation and treating it with respect is a much better service than actually worshipping him. A just God, in my eyes, would care MUCH more for having his creation flourish and respected. Not so much worship. Doing what makes you happy IS a way to show how grateful you are for life. I don't view worship as a way to do that...
And I bet it does feel nice to be put above someone....But honestly, we're talking about God here. He created life, I mean what more does he want? Sounds greedy to me.