[Khadra]

Originally Posted by slickguy55

Well let me give you a first then...

First off, this is my first post. I am going to tell right now that most of you will disagree with a lot of what I say. I knew that coming here, and I accept that. The reason I am here is because my politics are very important to me. I remember posting on this website years ago, because I was upset about something i guess, I don't even remember what my problem was. But years ago I remember wandering into the political forum and being shocked by how extremely liberal it was. And since this is a site that helps people with problems there are likely to be many sad, vulnerable, and naive young people here who are very impressionable. So I am here to give them the other side of the story, and let them know its ok to be against something that most members of their age group blindly support (not talking only about this topic). So now that I got that out of the way I can begin...

Same sex marriage is wrong because it deceives the true homosexuals in America. They feel that there are politicians that care for them, when in reality they are using their struggle to achieve a political agenda.

The overall agenda of the liberal-socialists, in order to achieve complete success, requires the infiltration of both the family and the church. You can not deny that liberalism is trying to change the church, trying to make the church members be alright with same sex marriage, and it is working. Christians are not the same anymore, they are slowly accepting gay marriage. The agenda is trying to un-do 2000 years of basic church teachings. And for those of you who blame it on the "christians" are uneducated, EVERY major religion in the world rejects homosexuality. This is because gay marriage makes a joke out of family values, and the natural family order. And the natural family order is what gives this country it's values, and if that is destroyed then our country will lost it's core values. Not to mention that this "infiltration of the church" will be a step towards silencing to church's opinion, a lot like the way Communist Russia and other socialist countries attempted to do.

And you say, "what a sec, I thought your argument wasn't going to be religious". It is not religious. I am not saying "GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN", because I don't believe that. I am saying that gay marriage compromises the value of family and 200 years of church teachings, (uhh that would be a religious argument) two things that have been a moral guide to this country for 2 centuries.

I'm getting really tired of the "it's not natural" argument. NOBODY has refuted the evidence that suggests it is natural yet, and I've posted it numerous times. Would you please do so? (find evidence below)

· Birth order – having older male siblings increases the odds that subsequent male children will be gay. This is thought to be due to maternal antibodies that feminize the brain.
· Identical twins have a 50 to 70% chance of being gay. Side note – some people argue this proves that being gay is not genetic. These people lack an advanced understanding of genetics and development. Being gay is not controlled by one simple gene. If it was, that mystery would have been solved.
· There are correlations to being left handed.
· Fruit flies can be made gay by changing a single gene. Note: Humans are not fruit flies.
· Being gay occurs in many animals, most notably penguins in zoos that mate for life and will not convert to heterosexuality, no matter how many fabulous looking female penguins are presented.
· Women with gay children have higher fertility rates.
· If two brothers are gay, there is a higher rate of other family members being gay.
· Pheromones – straight women and gay men are attracted to a pheromone produced in the sweat of men. Gay women and straight men are attracted to a pheromone produced in the urine of women. This study was done using PET and MRI scans, looking at areas of the brain that reveal sexual arousal, not the opinions of the participants. It was also published in a very prestigious journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

And actually, I can and will deny that liberals are trying to change the church. Well maybe some are but I don't think most are. I know I personally couldn't care less what the church does in it's own policies. I just want it to stay the heck out of government. I am all for freedom of religion. Allowing same-sex marriage is not an infringment on religion. However, prohibiting same-sex marriage IS an infringment by the church on the state.

And how on earth can you use religion to back up your point? Yeah the major religions condemn homosexuality, but they are also VERY OLD. Society changes. We learn and GROW. Progress is a good thing. Just because something has been done for a long time doesn't make it right. If you want to live in the past go ahead, but you have no right to make others do the same. Some of us prefer to move on and let people be happy.

Originally Posted by slickguy55

That is INSANE. You think that priests, leaders of a religion AGAINST gay marriage, should be FORCED to do the Governments will. You think that the bill of rights should be ignored, freedom of religion should be ignored, and that the Government should be able to FORCE religions to do their will? Do you know nothing about history, about dictatorships? Because your comments show that you support dictatorship, because that is the sort of thing that they due. What kind of sick country do you want this to be? Geez, I knew people here would be misinformed and slightly uneducated, but that comment is absolutely insane.

I just wanted to say I am a liberal but I absolutely agree with you on this point. How anyone can suggest priests be forced to marry gay couples is beyond me. I hope you realize that poster does not represent the majority of gay rights supporters though.