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The one thing you're choosing to ignore is that in your and other comments - you have stated what you believe to be experiences an adoptee has as reasoning. That's not reasoning a nonadoptee can use. Because they don't have any first hand knowledge to have that experience mean anything to them. Thus, those who do state - experiences - do sound like hypocrites.
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The only things I've used as experiences of what an adoptee may have is from the personal experiences YOU post in this thread. Show me where I posted something about what an adoptee experiences that was not based nor was part of what your previous posts said. As far as I know, I didn't but since you seem to think I did, show me. However, as far as I know, since the experiences I stated were from what you said, if you call them wrong, then you're calling what you said wrong.
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If someone states orphanage overflow on the other hand, that's not experiences and they don't sound like hypocrites. It's only when some, who have no first hand knowledge, state experiences that they know nothing about that bothers me.
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And where have I done this that bothers you?
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I'll say it this way - you know how girls were yelling at me for being a guy and thus not being able to grasp pregnancy because I never went through it and never will? Well, those same girls are nonadoptees trying to say they perfectly understand very well what being an adoptee is like without going through being an adoptee and they never will. I find that twist very ironic, they say I can't fully understand pregnancy and shouldn't have as much of a say because of this lack of experience, yet when I state the same thing back to them on how they can't fully understand an adoptee/orphan and shouldn't have as much of a say concerning adoption because of this lack of experience - they're shocked. It's a double edged sword, you can't have it both ways... if a girl has more say about pregnancy because of experience, then an adoptee/orphan certainly has more say about the adoption process because of experience. The same exact logic applies here that's been used here to undermine me and all guys by the girl posters raising themselves up on pedestals because they'll have a pregnancy experience... I've consented that in giving birth, they do have more say, but in regards to adoption - adoptees/orphans certainly have more say in the same sense.
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The same thing applies to them: they have equal say. Don't play the card of "wahh, they did that and were fine but I tried something similar but wasn't...". It doesn't put them in the right and it doesn't put you in the right. We all have the same weightings of what we say regardless if someone calls someone else out on it or not.
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As for overflow, I think there needs to be several ways to go about this. To try to devise methods of safer sex and educate what may result from sex. For all of these organizations promoting their beliefs, there should be a similar one for orphans - especially older orphans who are often overlooked; bring it farther in to the public eye. Provide more help and support in orphanages.
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But if the orphanages are overflowing, what good is educating people on safe sex? That hasn't changed the overflowing orphanages. You did not answer my question. I asked how to support the orphanages. You gave a bit of answering for the older ones but you didn't describe how to help them. You also didn't give any answer for the younger orphanages. "Provide more help and support" is not answering my question, I asked HOW. So please answer it.