[losing touch.]

Originally Posted by Josh

Here's the thing that nonadoptees don't understand, yes there are these feelings - yes it can be rough - I am actually a testament to that if you read through my other threads. All concerning an identity crises I'm going through. I have even stated before that I have regressed to a point of being frozen solid and utterly afraid and crying while asking "why? why did you leave me?" Thus, that pain is very real - but, it's not enough to truly make someone want to die. You also have to be mindful that we live in many alternate realities, thus what your friend said would be more in tune to REGULAR people saying that they want to die... this is not exclusive to being an adoptee, it's part of the human condition.

i don't even think i brought up suicide, i don't think it's particularly relevent to this debate anyway.

Originally Posted by Josh

Still, take a survey of adoptees and orphans asking them if they'd rather be alive than dead - you would find a striking number saying... ALIVE. I've looked into it while dealing with my crises that every adoptee goes through at some point in their life, books, other adoptees, etc. The urge to find birth parents and fear of rejection from people is very strong - but, they're not any worse than the scars every other person bears. It's not exactly that great being an alien, nor is it bad. It just is and fluctuates. Good days, bad days - we're, overall, normal people.

so a striking number would say they'd rather be alive.. what point are you trying to prove? i've already said how that's irrelevent because the embryo does not have an opinion of whether it wants to be alive or dead. you cannot bring how you feel now into a debate about abortion. what you're describing is linked to adoption - not abortion. and for the record i never said you weren't normal people. can i just repeat myself again.. this thread is about abortion, not adoption. while i can see how they are loosely connected, when it comes down to it adoptees were not aborted and aborted embryos were obviously not adopted.

Originally Posted by Josh

So coming from someone who LIVES through this, it wouldn't be kinder to have aborted me. You say that to numerous adoptees, you'd find a great number actually disturbed by statements like that... maybe we say things sometimes without knowing how other people may respond because it's not in their lives, but it's not wanting death. It can be misinterpreted by the nonadoptee, believe me - my adoptive parents have no idea of how I feel... whenever I say something negative about it, they feel my life is torn apart and ruined - then I have to remind them that despite that I still like the life I have and wouldn't trade it up for anything.

you're putting words in my mouth. i never said that you should have been aborted. your mother obviously didn't want to abort you - so she didn't. end of story.

Originally Posted by Josh

So, in effect, you can't really understand it just through hearing it. You have to live it.

Believe whatever you want about the girl, but as the child - I find your thoughts to be really off... just as off as that earlier poster who said they thought I'd be better off dead without realizing what they said.

i might not understand the ins and outs of how adoptions effects a child - but as i've already said a hundred times already, this isn't primarily about adoption. therfore, i'm just as entitled to my opinion about abortion as you, and my opinion has just as much significance.

i'm not just considering the mother here - i'm not that stupid. i do realise that there are two parties involved here. i already made a post about the child, as you asked.

you find my thoughts to be really off. does it really matter what you think of my thoughts? not really. they still stand no matter what your opinion is. not everyone is going to agree with you, and just because i don't you seem to be disregarding what i'm saying and skirting around the point.