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Originally Posted by Josh
Embryo stage of life DOES exist. I can testify to this and so can numerous other adoptees, who's only memory of our mothers exist in that stage of life. I can't explain what happens, why it happens, only that I know it does and research has proven that this is the case. You're killing life.
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Wait..., you're telling me that when you were developing and had no brain as an embryo, just a clump of dividing cells, you have a memory of that? You have a memory of something even though at that time, you had no brain? Show me this research saying that an embryo is able to remember something despite lacking a brain and most of the rest of the basic body form. For this reason, I don't believe for a moment you remember anything of being in your mother's womb.
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Originally Posted by Josh
Abortion's only right under one condition - such as a couple who keep trying to have a child only to lead to children being born with severe birth defects. Or if medically it's able to predict if the child will be born with any painful defects. If you're responsible enough to have sex, from that point onwards you have to grow up. Being responsible is not getting an abortion out of fear of giving birth, your parents finding out, or what your classmates may think - that's immature. Being responsible is doing what's best for the baby.
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The last line is what I agree with, and as I agree with that, I support abortion if the parents are unfit (financially, mentally, physically and/or marriage-wise), don't want the child, etc... . Why should the parents take in the child if they can hardly support themselves? Naturally adoption is an option, however, I suppose there may be an element of guilt, of giving away something that was part of the mother (and emotionally to the father and mother) for numerous months and hope that when someone takes it, they treat it properly. The child could grow up in an abusive environment, be left on the streets, etc... . Abortion eliminates those possibilities that the parents may not want to face.
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Originally Posted by Josh
And as for how old you are - ever hear of adoption? You don't need to raise it, just don't kill it. It's not that hard, why anyone would choose abortion above adoption as a solution beyond selfish reasons is way beyond me unless there's chance of pain for the child.
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For adoption, you give away a part of yourself, something living. For abortion, the parents are likely to consider the fetus as not being alive at that point and so it is easier to do. It could also be that with adoption, the biological parents who if they did want the child at one point in time would be emotionally attached to it and be fearful if it was treated abusively in the hands of a stranger. Abortion eliminates this. You can call it selfish if you want, however, as you mentioned above, being responsible is thinking of the baby. I'm expanding that statement to cover a young child also.
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Originally Posted by Josh
Yeah, I may never get pregnant. But, guess what - I'm the embryo, which is a lot closer to it than any of you have ever experienced.
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You're the embryo? ALL of us were embryos at one point in time and all of us currently are human beings. If you want to argue that humans are an embryo, then we all are embryos. It is not the case of you, the lone embryo, versus the humans. Why? Because that makes no sense one bit. If you indeed are an embryo, then you cannot be typing, you'd be a tiny little wee lump of cells, no brain, no hands, no fingers, no feet, etc... . I assume you are typing with your fingers (or prosthetic limbs) and have a working brain and sensory organs. Therefore, you are NOT an embryo using the traditional definition of an embryo. If you define an embryo in some other way, then all humans will be, according to you, an embryo.
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Originally Posted by xHolyValorx
But the embryo part was very true.
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How is the embryo part true? Regardless if Josh uses the traditional or whatever his definition may be, ALL humans would be either humans or an embryo. It would not be him being the embryo and mostly everyone else a human.
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Originally Posted by Josh
I am still very much connected to that moment in time when I was taken away as are others. I won't be afraid to admit that I repressed a couple of times to PRIMAL degrees for a woman I've never even seen. I've felt it true to my core though. I was frozen solid once, afraid and angry. The other time I broke down and cried while just wanting to be back with her. Keep in mind, I never met her. These experiences many adoptees can account for and have told of. So, there is an inherent connection - a connection that's felt in the heart for someone we never met. That says a lot, that alone speaks volumes. How do I know I remember being the embryo? Because I grew nine months inside her and that's how she flows through me. Look in any books about adoptees and orphans, you will see the IMMENSE research that has been put into the embryotic stage of life - and how, contrary to what people may think, are alive.
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As you seem to know quite a bit on this embryo business, why don't you provide some sources for it? You're making that claim, so instead of just saying that there is evidence, why don't you give some links or names of books supporting your claim, as according to you, there is a lot of this.