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Originally Posted by Grizabella
You left out the important part where the bible says "believe this - or suffer an eternity of torture." It doesn't really give you choice. Using coercion and duress to force a belief or action are never free will. I could hold a gun to your head and tell you to believe something. You would have the choice to listen to me or to die. But I'm sure you wouldn't think I was giving you free will if I was threatening you like that.
Science doesn't just tell us how it is and then leave it for a thousand years never to be touched. The bible does. Right now, science says that the Big Bang Theory is probably right. So scientists follow it. But if in a few years evidence showed up pointing us in another direction, scientists (once it had been reasonably proven) wouldn't fight it. They wouldn't gnash their teeth and call all non-believers in the Big Bang heretics and satan-worshippers. They wouldn't make private Big Bang schools where they stubbornly insisted on teaching outdated materials. They would welcome the opportunity for growth in their knowledge of the universe.
When evidence against the bible shows up, however, believers fight it. They start holy wars and persecute anyone trying to improve knowledge. They make private schools to teach their own foundless ideas. But they don't even rest at their own schools. They try to infiltrate the public school system and slander scientific advances (particularly evolution) in an effort to try to salvage their own ideas. They try to insist that scientific institutes teach supernatural ideas. The bible does not welcome change or progress, it tries to stifle it.
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I can't remember ever having read in the Bible that you'll "suffer an eternity of torture" (If you've read it somewhere, feel free to let me know where it's written) all I've read is that to believe is the only way of being saved.
- Still, that givess you a choice. Cause, if you believe, you also believe that that's how you can be saved. If you don't, you choose to give a rats ass about it.
The bible: There isn't much more that's needed to be said, we know the basics.
Science: There are still lots of things to unravel.
When has there ever been evidence against the Bible?