[TigerTank77]

Originally Posted by Maverick.

In my perspective despite the wind and weather conditions, he's moving in a past pace. When the operator asked of his name, he swiftly said "George". If he was still it would have came out calmer as when his voice was earlier in the 911 call. When he says "Zimmerman", his voice seems very preoccupied and the call is disconnected at that point.

You're still speculating about what you think happened. Speculation isn't evidence

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Like I said earlier despite the weather conditions, he was definitely running as he's pronouncing his first and last name in an odd way. As he had a lethargic voice towards the end of the 911 call due to being fatigued from running.

You still don't know if he was actually running. You can say he was, but there's no evidence to suggest he was running other than a cell phone recording muffled by wind, on a night after a rainstorm.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

It is. If we are/are not counting the weather conditions, his voice and the way he's not focusing on the operators questions give reason to believe he was running.

I've walked up the stairs before and been out of breath enough to have trouble focusing on what people are telling me, as well as having to take a breath to pronounce my last name, which is longer than Zimmerman's. Being winded from walking quickly isn't unreasonable for someone who was in the shape Zimmerman was in.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Many users mentioned that one of the reasons he was being suspicious of Trayvon was due to the fact there was a black burglar in the community.

There was suspicion that there was a guy in a hooded sweatshirt going around and breaking into people's homes. Skin color wasn't a factor at that point in time.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

He just assumed that since Trayvon was black, he must be the culprit. That is racial profiling. Therefore if Travyon was white, Zimmerman possibly could have not thought anything of him and nothing would be ventured or gained.

Speculation, you have no evidence that Zimmerman assumed Trayvon was the suspect because he was black, he wasn't even sure if he was black on the 9/11 call to the dispatcher.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

I would like to see links or some sort of proof of this please.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/justic...-teen-shooting

"In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he "believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," according to an FBI report."

The racist motivation you've been trying to pin on Zimmerman doesn't hold any water beyond the point of speculation.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Zimmerman is and never was a small stature man. Pictures of before and after the incident show this very burly and large man. During the incident, he might have lost a few pounds but now he's back to his large figure.

Are you really just making stuff up now?

Picture of Zimmerman when he was walking the police through his incident:
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_g..._120621_wg.jpg

Picture of Zimmerman at his original hearing, pre-bail.
http://media.nj.com/ledgerupdates_im...2f991e0735.jpg

I'm not seeing this big burly dude you keep speculating about.

Also, here's a picture at Trayvon the night of the shooting-
http://www.blackchristiannews.com/ne...og-Handout.jpg

There's not much difference, but Trayvon definitely has a height advantage, and obviously an athletic advantage, being a varsity football player, which you keep choosing to ignore for some reason.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Regardless of physical shape if this is a ground assault which this case is centered around, Zimmerman would have the upper hand due to his weight and his muscle tone as fat is usually muscle.

I'm bolding the part that this is especially directed at, but, what?

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Height has nothing to do with it. He's an adult and the victim was a teenager.

See above.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

He might have said yes in the phone call, but he still ended up pursuing Trayvon.

Except there's no evidence that he pursued Trayvon after the phone call beyond speculation.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Like I mentioned earlier, the way the words were coming out his mouth seemed jumbled and in my perspective he was tired.

Speculation.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

And no they aren't police, but they work for the police department and the fact he went against the orders of the dispatcher shows foul play in some shape or form.

Police dispatchers are civilian phone operators and have no legal or judicial authority.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Eighteen inches is also a huge gap as well. Something to ponder on.

It's not a huge gap at all actually. The average length of an adult human arm from elbow to finger tip is about 16 inches. My elbow to finger tip measurement is actually about 18 inches. So basically, hold your arm down at your side, bend it up at the elbow so your forearm is at a 90 degree angle to your body, and keep your hand flat and level. That's approximately 16-18", depending on the size of your arm.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

I asked why did he go over to where Trayvon was.

Except he didn't know where Trayvon was, he was close by, but he was unaware of Trayvon's location. If he knew where he was, he would've told the dispatcher.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

The dispatcher told him to leave the boy alone.

He didn't actually say "leave the boy alone", he said "we don't need you to do that."

Originally Posted by Maverick.

He continued to look for addresses and other things because he wanted to be a wannabee cop.

Speculation, no evidence.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

His agenda was never to go back to his vehicle. His agenda was to be a fake policeman and pursue Trayvon.

Speculation, no evidence.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

As he was walking back to his car

So you admit that Zimmerman had disengaged and was returning to his vehicle? Excellent.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Trayvon from behind "called him over". FROM BEHIND WHICH CONFRONT MEANS IN POINT BLANK, FRONTAL CONTACT

How does calling someone over from behind mean frontal contact?

Originally Posted by Maverick.

If he was walking back to his car, he would have continued to walk back to his car.

You just said he was, and he was trying to until someone got his attention.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

A grown ass man who is armed with a gun

A concealed (not able to be seen by other people) firearm that wasn't a factor in the situation until the physical confrontation.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

. Especially if he "was going back to his car and was leaving Trayvon alone."

Unless the teenage six foot plus varsity football playing "boy" (the emotionally charged adjectives are getting a little stale) yelled at him from behind and Zimmerman stopped to look.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Objection overruled. In the United States by law, someone who is under the age of eighteen is a child. To society they are teenagers but they are considered minors/children/underage.

Except that they can be tried as adults, and the only reason people are intent on treating this six foot plus tall varsity football player as if he were a child is because it makes Zimmerman look like a baby killer and satisfies the racists wanting to throw him in prison.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

I'm not going to argue about the football thing. He's a boy and usually boys do active things.

Sorry, you don't get to dissmiss the fact that Trayvon was AGAIN, a six foot tall varsity football player. Varsity is serious big time stuff, Varsity gets scouted by collegiate athletic teams. This is speculation, but another year and he might have been in the NCAA. You can't downplay his athleticism, it's a major component of the trial and it doesn't just go away because you want it to.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

You are absolutely right, I don't. I'm not a psychic and I haven't played one on television. But based on all these interviews and reanactments and shit like that, I know Zimmerman is lying like Pinocchio.

So you're not a psychic, you're not a mental health professional, but we're supposed to believe you when you say Zimmerman is lying?

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Zimmerman can't ever keep his mouth shut which is why he is charged with second degree murder

He's being charged with second degree murder because the DA wanted the publicity from putting someone away to appease the mob.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Usually people have their guns under their bed or in the china cabinet in the den or somewhere like that. He had in his holster in his belt buckle. So to me that tells me he was ready for some action.

Except that legally carrying a legal firearm concealed cannot legally in any way shape or form give evidence to malicious intent. Concealed carrying is legally a defensive posture, not offensive, regardless of speculation

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Zimmerman was told not to pursue a child.

He was told they didn't need him to follow the suspect, who was an athletic six foot plus tall varsity football player. You can say child all you want, it's not going to change that fact.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

His stories don't add up.

They're corroborated by the EMT/Police reports.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

He had prior convictions related to assault against his wife and other drug charges. The murder charge was sufficient enough.

Prior convictions, none of which were felonies, and you haven't explained how it actually adds up to Second Degree murder.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Manslaughter might have implemented had he not confronted Trayvon

Except he didn't confront Trayvon, there's no evidence to suggest he confronted Trayvon beyond your own speculation, Trayvon had no defensive wounds to suggest that he was confronted physically or otherwise, and you even admitted that Trayvon engaged Zimmerman while Zimmerman was walking back to his car. The evidence in Zimmerman's story AND the police report both support the face that Trayvon confronted and then physically assaulted Zimmerman as Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

I just want to show you this video before we proceed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQJWJNY60w

This is the alleged route Trayvon walked on.

It is a known shortcut that usually young kids take to get to the convenience store to the housing areas.

And?

Originally Posted by Maverick.

I'm not gonna argue about Zimmerman's bruises.

You don't have to, defensive wounds generally speak for themselves

Originally Posted by Maverick.

He provoked the fight.

Zimmerman tried to walk away. Trayvon confronted him after he started to leave, and attacked him. So, no, he didn't provoke the fight.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

It is both parties fault.

True.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

you're taking Zimmerman's side for all the wrong reasons and I don't have the energy to argue with your nonsense facts.

My "nonsense" facts are backed up by police and FBI reports. I'm not the one who's been gunning for this dude for multiple posts with nothing but conspiracy theories and speculation. But if you're not going to address the facts of the situation, than you really don't have anything to argue about anymore.

Originally Posted by Maverick.

Trayvon was behind him when he called him over so there was no reason for Zimmerman to confront him. Therefore Zimmerman is partly responsible for this ordeal as that was plenty of time for him to go to his vehicle. Instead he walked in Trayvon's direction and the rest is unsolved mystery as we can only go on Zimmermans claim that a teenage child beat him to death unprovoked.

Except that Trayvon didn't "call him over", he called to him and walked up, confronted Zimmerman and than physically assaulted him.

If all you're going to do is completely ignore the FBI and police reports, the ballistic evidence, and the medical reports from both Trayvon and Zimmerman to throw around wild speculative theories about a large burly man who's actually fairly tiny hunting down a poor innocent six foot plus tall baby child varsity football player, then you need to stop.