[Maverick.]

With quickness, I'm going to once again refute your statements. This round is a little easier for me but I'm not getting cocky. I know you're going to try to be twice as hard on me.

Originally Posted by TigerTank77

Sounds good. Mock trial? Mock trial. Hahaha.

If you want to put it that way.

At 1:43 in the video, you can hear the sound of a beeping noise generally made by a vehicle who's doors are open when the engine/lights are on, and it does sound like George is moving. However, at 2:00, after the dispatcher tells Zimmerman that they don't need him to follow Martin, the "wind" noise starts to die down, and it's completely gone by the 2:15 mark. So he's either walking, or standing still. Neither of those two options would allow him to "chase down" Martin.

In my perspective despite the wind and weather conditions, he's moving in a past pace. When the operator asked of his name, he swiftly said "George". If he was still it would have came out calmer as when his voice was earlier in the 911 call. When he says "Zimmerman", his voice seems very preoccupied and the call is disconnected at that point.

That being said, what if he was standing still or walking and it was windy? If I remember, it had just rained before hand, and it being really windy after a rain storm isn't unheard of. Moreover, he's not really out of breath at the 2:15 mark, which means he was probably walking, which is not running down or chasing. Moreover, in the video of the reenactment, the "wind" noise gets picked up by the camera while they're sitting in the car.

Like I said earlier despite the weather conditions, he was definately running as he's pronouncing his first and last name in an odd way. As he had a lethargic voice towards the end of the 911 call due to being fatigued from running.

Point is, the "wind" is not an accurate measurement of Zimmerman's actions at the time.

It is. If we are/are not counting the weather conditions, his voice and the way he's not focusing on the operators questions give reason to believe he was running.

(Referring to Zimmerman being extra cautious being that Trayvon was black)
Objection, leading. You don't know what Zimmerman would have assumed.

Many users mentioned that one of the reasons he was being suspicious of Trayvon was due to the fact there was a black burglar in the community. He just assumed that since Trayvon was black, he must be the culprit. That is racial profiling. Therefore if Travyon was white, Zimmerman possibly could have not thought anything of him and nothing would be ventured or gained.

(Still refuting that this case is not racially based) Objection, speculation. The FBI conducted an investigation and determined that there wasn't any racist motive on Zimmerman's part.

I would like to see links or some sort of proof of this please.

Trayvon had a height and age advantage over Zimmerman. He was in better physical shape, and played varsity football. Zimmerman is not in the best physical shape, and I have no idea what muscle tone you're referring to. He's a pretty small dude (but I'm 6'1, so thats from my point of view)

Zimmerman is and never was a small stature man. Pictures of before and after the incident show this very burly and large man. During the incident, he might have lost a few pounds but now he's back to his large figure.

Regardless of physical shape if this is a ground assault which this case is centered around, Zimmerman would have the upper hand due to his weight and his muscle tone as fat is usually muscle. Height has nothing to do with it. He's an adult and the victim was a teenager.

He was told they didn't need him to follow Martin, and he complied with that, he said "okay" after all. The conversation after that was very calm and again, Zimmerman wasn't speaking out of breath, so he wasn't running. Also, dispatcher's aren't the police either, and have no legal authority.

He might have said yes in the phone call, but he still ended up pursuing Trayvon. Like I mentioned earlier, the way the words were coming out his mouth seemed jumbled and in my perspective he was tired.

And no they aren't police, but they work for the police department and the fact he went against the orders of the dispatcher shows foul play in some shape or form. 911 calls are vital in criminal cases.

Lets take a look at the link you posted, shall we?

"A leaked autopsy reportedly shows that the bullet that killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin was fired from "intermediate range," which one forensics expert said means anywhere from one to 18 inches away"

One to eighteen is a completely valid scenario for Trayvon being on top of Zimmerman.

Eighteen inches is also a huge gap as well. Something to ponder on.

(referring to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c

Really? Go to 9:30 in the video you posted. "I have a silver Honda ridge-line, I'll meet him right there. So then I started walking back." And then he starts walking back to his truck. He was confronted by Trayvon while returning to his vehicle. Again, the police reports support this.

He didn't know where Trayvon was until Trayvon confronted him. He has no idea where the guy is in the latter half of the 9/11 call, if he did we wouldn't be calm and content with waiting for the police.

Ok I watched that video again and you made a boo boo.

You didn't answer my question.

I asked why did he go over to where Trayvon was. The dispatcher told him to leave the boy alone. He continued to look for addresses and other things because he wanted to be a wannabee cop. His agenda was never to go back to his vehicle. His agenda was to be a fake policeman and pursue Trayvon.

As he was walking back to his car Trayvon from behind "called him over". FROM BEHIND WHICH CONFRONT MEANS IN POINT BLANK, FRONTAL CONTACT

If he was walking back to his car, he would have continued to walk back to his car. A grown ass man who is armed with a gun isn't going to be intimidated by a teenage boy with a hooded sweatshirt on.. Especially if he "was going back to his car and was leaving Trayvon alone."

(Referring to Zimmerman's size once again.)

Objection, *'Six foot plus' tall varsity football player. Not a child. You're leading.

Objection overruled. In the United States by law, someone who is under the age of eighteen is a child. To society they are teenagers but they are considered minors/children/underage.

I'm not going to argue about the football thing. He's a boy and usually boys do active things.

(Referring to Zimmerman racially profiling Trayvon)

Objection, leading. Again, you don't know what Zimmerman was thinking.

You are absolutely right, I don't. I'm not a psychic and I haven't played one on television. But based on all these interviews and reanactments and shit like that, I know Zimmerman is lying like Pinocchio.

Which is why his lawyer doesn't want him saying a goddam thing come trial. He doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. Casey Anthony kept her mouth shut and she got away with killing her child. Zimmerman can't ever keep his mouth shut which is why he is charged with second degree murder and his lawyer is going ape shit

Objection, leading. You don't know what Zimmerman's "agenda" was, if any, and I'm slightly offended at your insinuation that someone being armed means they have some sort of malicious agenda. Especially since the firearm was legal, and was being legally carried. Ulterior motive can only be assumed if the firearm was illegal, and that's not the case.

Yes but usually people have their guns under their bed or in the china cabinet in the den or somewhere like that. He had in his holster in his belt buckle. So to me that tells me he was ready for some action.

The District Attorney slapped second degree murder on him because the trial was highly publicized and she wanted to make it look like the state was doing something to appease public opinion.

There's nothing to suggest second degree murder. None. Zero. Zip. Manslaughter? Maybe, but that ship sailed the second the DA tried to make this a trial of public opinion.

Oh you just stop that.

They (judges, prosecution, defense) have stated many times they are trying their best to exclude public opinion from this case.

Zimmerman was told not to pursue a child. His stories don't add up. He had prior convictions related to assualt against his wife and other drug charges. The murder charge was sufficient enough.

Manslaughter might have implemented had he not confronted Trayvon like the 911 dispatcher told him not to.

Links to pictures of George Zimmerman's injuries (GRAPHIC, BLOOD):
http://www.blacknews.com/images/geor...man_injury.jpg
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ap_g...1204_wblog.jpg

All the Prosecution has at this point is speculation. There's no evidence to show that Zimmerman chased down and tackled Trayvon, let alone him starting the confrontation; there's no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman started the fight ; there's no evidence there's no evidence to suggest that the events of that night are wildly different than what Zimmerman has put forth; and the fact that the State is pursuing Second Degree actually feeds into the notion that Zimmerman is being unjustly persecuted.

Did Zimmerman following Trayvon cause the physical confrontation? Possibly, but since Zimmerman disengaged and was walking back to meet with the incoming officer, the physical confrontation was completely unnecessary and completely within the realm of responsibility of Trayvon Martin. He had no right to physically assault Zimmerman, and he paid for it with his life.

If I get into an argument with someone, and he physically assaults me, it's still his fault. If I follow someone for a minute, and then walk away, and he confronts and physically assaults me while I'm walking away from him, it's his fault.

If Zimmerman had started the physical confrontation, Trayvon would have defensive wounds (he didn't), and this would be a whole different game. But beyond speculation, there's absolutely no evidence to support that theory, and tons of police verified evidence suggesting that Zimmerman was physically assaulted after disengaging and walking away from Trayvon. Zimmerman's "pursuit" (if you can call it that) and Trayvon's physical confrontation were two separate events. Zimmerman didn't make Trayvon physically attack him, and attacking someone who's walking away from you isn't self defense, it's assault- even with the fact that Zimmerman was armed, because he was carrying concealed, which means that Trayvon had no idea Zimmerman was armed until he got shot.

This is why you don't act tough and run up on people, even if they're following you, and especially if they've stopped following you and are walking away.

I just want to show you this video before we proceed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQJWJNY60w

This is the alleged route Trayvon walked on.

It is a known shortcut that usually young kids take to get to the convenience store to the housing areas.

But back to you're claim.

I'm not gonna argue about Zimmerman's bruises.

He provoked the fight. It is both parties fault. Trayvon was shot and killed so his story can't ever be told. The only story we have is that of Zimmerman's.

you're taking Zimmerman's side for all the wrong reasons and I don't have the energy to argue with your nonsense facts.

Trayvon was behind him when he called him over so there was no reason for Zimmerman to confront him. Therefore Zimmerman is partly responsible for this ordeal as that was plenty of time for him to go to his vehicle. Instead he walked in Trayvon's direction and the rest is unsolved mystery as we can only go on Zimmermans claim that a teenage child beat him to death unprovoked.