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Just to start, I mean no disrespect to you. I think it's awesome that we both have different sides to this and can't wait to see which one of is right. Nevertheless, just as you had to refute my statements, I shall do the same.

Originally Posted by TigerTank77

Zimmerman said he was returning to his truck when Trayvon confronted him. There's no account of Zimmerman actually chasing Trayvon down and accosting him, the verbal part of the incident was initiated by Trayvon, who went after Zimmerman to ask him why he was following him.

According to the 911 call

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVwPqXc-bk

which is probably going to be the best vital evidence to the prosecution, Zimmerman's main objective was to make sure he got as much information about Trayvon as possible. You can clearly hear wind rustling in the 911 call. Which indicates he's moving at a fast pace. Ergo he's trying to run over to where Trayvon is. In my eyes that's initiating the situation. This thread wouldn't even have been made had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle.

What evidence do you have that Trayvon started the altercation. I personally don't blame Trayvon. This big overweight man confronts a teenage boy. Of course the teenage boy will feel inferior in some shape or form.

Where is your evidence that George Zimmerman returned to his vehicle after the confrontation?

That is contradictory as I will explain later.

There's no evidence of rational profiling, the FBI conducted a hate crime investigation and found no evidence of any racism in Zimmerman's actions. There's also, again, no evidence of Zimmerman chasing Trayvon down, but there is a police report backing up Zimmerman's account that Trayvon initiated the confrontation.

This whole case is centered around racial fusion. Had Trayvon been white, Zimmerman would have just assumed he was a resident of the community. Because he was not only black but wearing a hooded sweatshirt, Zimmerman just assumed he was up to good. That's racial profiling. It happens to me all the time.

I had night classes and I would catch the bus to get to class. I was running for the bus and the cops pulled me over. Usually running indicates ulterior motives. Racial profiling.

Once again according to the 911 call, Zimmerman is running after Trayvon by the sound of the wind.

Not only was Zimmerman shorter and in much worse physical shape than Trayvon, you don't defend yourself by starting a confrontation and pinning the other person to the ground and smashing their head in. That's not self defense.

This is arguable. Zimmerman is definitely stronger than Trayvon. Trayvon was possibly a couple inches taller than Zimmerman, but Zimmerman had way more muscle tone.

That's neither here nor there how the confrontation started. Zimmerman was told to stay away. He is not the fucking police.

Either way, the bullet was shot in a way to where Trayvon was not on top of him. So when Trayvon did die, Zimmerman was not being tackled by him. Regardless of how he was punched in the nose and slammed in the sidewalk because he confronted a teenage boy.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17...ound-fired-at/

Considering I've never heard the second story backed up before throughout this entire case, and the police report doesn't back it up, I'm going to go with the one where Zimmerman, being in the shape that he's in, didn't chase down a highly athletic football player.

Please understand logic. He didn't chase him down, yet he shot him. His mother lived in the fucking complex area for fuck sake. Boys will be boys. Which entails being boy scouts, basketball teams, football teams, ROTC. So just stop with that bullshit nonsense.

Dispatcher's aren't police, and don't have law enforcement authority. Regardless, when the dispatcher said they didn't need Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, he said "okay" and then returned to his truck. The notion that Zimmerman chased Trayvon down and tackled him is wild speculation.

Once again your opinion is flawed.

According to this video which is taken straight from the jackass mouth, he did not return to his vehicle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c

He clearly states after the dispatcher states "You don't need to do that", he continues to venture through the complex. Whether he actually began to walk back to his car or not, he states that Travyon called him over?

Why did he go over to where Trayvon was? Doesn't make a lick of sense.

Why do you think he didn't listen to the dispatcher? Because he wanted to prove a point. He is a neighborhood watchman. His job is to report and observe. Not venture out and be rental police. He was racially stereotyping a teenage boy assuming he was burglarizing homes when that wasn't at all the case. Not to mention he was armed. So basically he had an agenda. Possibly egging him on by stalking him and following him through the complex.

(Referring to Stand Your ground not being used)

Not if it isn't needed, and again considering the complete lack of evidence the Prosecution has, I don't see how they're going to be able to refute the defense's claim that it was self defense.

Yes it is. The reason Zimmerman was basically able to go scott free after a few months or so after the shooting is because of stand your ground. You are able to use firearm protection if the case if believed to be self defense. THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY FELT THIS WAS NOT A SELF DEFENSE ISSUE AND NOT ONLY PROSECUTED AND ARRESTED ZIMMERMAN, BUT SLAMMED A SECOND DEGREE MURDER TAG ON HIM.

In any other state such as California, New York etc, Zimmerman would have been arrested and possibly charged with a hate crime due to the witnesses. If possible, he would be posted bail. But come trial, it's up for the jury to prove him guilty or not guilty.

The fact that stand your ground is not being used is very good news for the prosecution. Zimmerman instigated the issue by confronting a child, acting like a fake policeman and even though he might not have decided, "Today I'm going to kill a random hoodlum soliciting through the complex", in some shapely form, he lived up to it.

You might want to read up on the statue for Second Degree murder and the SOP of evidence based legal procedure. You can't convict a man on public opinion, which is what this trial has been about since the start.

He will have a trial by jury. If the jury convicts him of guilty, with it being a second degree murder charge. In sentencing, he will give or take get 15 years as the most minimum sentence. Maybe parole in 8 if he behaves himself and befriends the black inmates or some shit like that.

The sad part is now this is a weak possibility, but Zimmerman might have had a better chance had he had a better attorney, had he not done all these contradictory interviews and "reenactments", had they not switched judges, tried to overturn his charge, and most of all they keep trying to push back the trial date. They are scared because prosecution is like me and they have secret information that will make Zimmerman fry.

Once again I appreciate this debate. I'm looking forward to your responses.

I'm also going to be posting more and more events as the trial is in less than three weeks.