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Wow. What I'm seeing on that website is bull. Change for Trayvon? I still don't understand why little angel Trayvon is so damned special. Since they're looking to have the laws changed so that this can be prevented, why are they calling it change for Trayvon? Shouldn't it be change for everyone who has lost loved ones in similar situations?
I firmly believe that Zimmerman should walk. Yeah, he was stupid by making the decision to follow him. But I do not believe he attacked the kid. As Ben said, this whole stupid case has been a huge lynch mob of racial shit from the start. And in my opinion, that's just pathetic. |
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New information about the case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,5139117.story http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,7609897.story |
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That is one hell of a broken nose.
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New information about the case. Trial is in June.
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This dude's still kicking around? When I wear a hoody, I want people to think of me as the angel Tyrael from Diablo, not some skinny black dude who picked the wrong fight.
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New information about the case.
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MOTHER OF GOD SOMEBODY FINISH THIS CASE ;-;
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The difference between this and the Casey Anthony case, she had a damn good lawyer in which they did some under the table secret rendevouz stuff.
This Mark O'Mera jackass is simply that. George needs to get used to wearing orange jumpsuits. |
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Like I said in my previous post, this Mark O'Mera guy is crazy. He's supposed to be a defense attorney.
As we are just weeks away from the trial, George Zimmerman according to his lawyer will not plead stand your ground. :) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,340410.story |
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You do realize that Trayvon was smashing the man's head into the pavement and that beyond the bullet wound, he had no wounds except for offensive wounds on his hands, right? That both the police and medical reports also corroborate his side of the story, and that beyond speculation, the Prosecution has very little to refute what the defense is putting forward?
He's going to walk. Prosecution had a long shot with manslaughter, but they chose to make it a trial of public opinion and went with 2nd Degree Murder, the statute of which doesn't fit this crime in the slightest. |
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My opinion of what went down: *Zimmerman confronted Trayvon asking why he was in the neighborhood. Probably racially profiling him and provoking the situation. Trayvon was defending himself like Zimmerman claims he was defending himself despite being armed and heavier. Zimmerman keeps changing his story. First Trayvon slammed him on the ground, then Trayvon reached for his gun, then Trayvon ran and Zimmerman tackled him. Which story is true? At the end of the day, Zimmerman disobeyed police so therefore he is going to fry. Mark O'Mera is a terrible attorney. Why is he trying to postpone the trial date from a few weeks from now? Explain that one? Plus the defense isn't doing stand your ground which basically would have made Zimmerman's chances of freedom higher. Zimmerman is going to be found guilty given 15 years minimum. |
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But that goes for everything, bullying laws, and things like that. I mean, they should have had laws in place to prevent this from happening. They shouldn't have waited until it was too late. I just feel like how many people are going to die before they realize that something needs to me done? |
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Just to start, I mean no disrespect to you. I think it's awesome that we both have different sides to this and can't wait to see which one of is right. Nevertheless, just as you had to refute my statements, I shall do the same. :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVwPqXc-bk which is probably going to be the best vital evidence to the prosecution, Zimmerman's main objective was to make sure he got as much information about Trayvon as possible. You can clearly hear wind rustling in the 911 call. Which indicates he's moving at a fast pace. Ergo he's trying to run over to where Trayvon is. In my eyes that's initiating the situation. This thread wouldn't even have been made had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. What evidence do you have that Trayvon started the altercation. I personally don't blame Trayvon. This big overweight man confronts a teenage boy. Of course the teenage boy will feel inferior in some shape or form. Where is your evidence that George Zimmerman returned to his vehicle after the confrontation? That is contradictory as I will explain later. Quote:
I had night classes and I would catch the bus to get to class. I was running for the bus and the cops pulled me over. Usually running indicates ulterior motives. Racial profiling. Once again according to the 911 call, Zimmerman is running after Trayvon by the sound of the wind. Quote:
That's neither here nor there how the confrontation started. Zimmerman was told to stay away. He is not the fucking police. Either way, the bullet was shot in a way to where Trayvon was not on top of him. So when Trayvon did die, Zimmerman was not being tackled by him. Regardless of how he was punched in the nose and slammed in the sidewalk because he confronted a teenage boy. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17...ound-fired-at/ Quote:
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According to this video which is taken straight from the jackass mouth, he did not return to his vehicle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c He clearly states after the dispatcher states "You don't need to do that", he continues to venture through the complex. Whether he actually began to walk back to his car or not, he states that Travyon called him over? Why did he go over to where Trayvon was? Doesn't make a lick of sense. Why do you think he didn't listen to the dispatcher? Because he wanted to prove a point. He is a neighborhood watchman. His job is to report and observe. Not venture out and be rental police. He was racially stereotyping a teenage boy assuming he was burglarizing homes when that wasn't at all the case. Not to mention he was armed. So basically he had an agenda. Possibly egging him on by stalking him and following him through the complex. Quote:
In any other state such as California, New York etc, Zimmerman would have been arrested and possibly charged with a hate crime due to the witnesses. If possible, he would be posted bail. But come trial, it's up for the jury to prove him guilty or not guilty. The fact that stand your ground is not being used is very good news for the prosecution. Zimmerman instigated the issue by confronting a child, acting like a fake policeman and even though he might not have decided, "Today I'm going to kill a random hoodlum soliciting through the complex", in some shapely form, he lived up to it. Quote:
The sad part is now this is a weak possibility, but Zimmerman might have had a better chance had he had a better attorney, had he not done all these contradictory interviews and "reenactments", had they not switched judges, tried to overturn his charge, and most of all they keep trying to push back the trial date. They are scared because prosecution is like me and they have secret information that will make Zimmerman fry. Once again I appreciate this debate. I'm looking forward to your responses. I'm also going to be posting more and more events as the trial is in less than three weeks. |
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That being said, what if he was standing still or walking and it was windy? If I remember, it had just rained before hand, and it being really windy after a rain storm isn't unheard of. Moreover, he's not really out of breath at the 2:15 mark, which means he was probably walking, which is not running down or chasing. Moreover, in the video of the reenactment, the "wind" noise gets picked up by the camera while they're sitting in the car. Point is, the "wind" is not an accurate measurement of Zimmerman's actions at the time. Quote:
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"A leaked autopsy reportedly shows that the bullet that killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin was fired from "intermediate range," which one forensics expert said means anywhere from one to 18 inches away" One to eighteen is a completely valid scenario for Trayvon being on top of Zimmerman. Quote:
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There's nothing to suggest second degree murder. None. Zero. Zip. Manslaughter? Maybe, but that ship sailed the second the DA tried to make this a trial of public opinion. Quote:
http://www.blacknews.com/images/geor...man_injury.jpg http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ap_g...1204_wblog.jpg All the Prosecution has at this point is speculation. There's no evidence to show that Zimmerman chased down and tackled Trayvon, let alone him starting the confrontation; there's no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman started the fight ; there's no evidence there's no evidence to suggest that the events of that night are wildly different than what Zimmerman has put forth; and the fact that the State is pursuing Second Degree actually feeds into the notion that Zimmerman is being unjustly persecuted. Did Zimmerman following Trayvon cause the physical confrontation? Possibly, but since Zimmerman disengaged and was walking back to meet with the incoming officer, the physical confrontation was completely unnecessary and completely within the realm of responsibility of Trayvon Martin. He had no right to physically assault Zimmerman, and he paid for it with his life. If I get into an argument with someone, and he physically assaults me, it's still his fault. If I follow someone for a minute, and then walk away, and he confronts and physically assaults me while I'm walking away from him, it's his fault. If Zimmerman had started the physical confrontation, Trayvon would have defensive wounds (he didn't), and this would be a whole different game. But beyond speculation, there's absolutley no evidence to support that theory, and tons of police verified evidence suggesting that Zimmerman was physically assaulted after disengaging and walking away from Trayvon. Zimmerman's "pursuit" (if you can call it that) and Trayvon's physical confrontation were two separate events. Zimmerman didn't make Trayvon physically attack him, and attacking someone who's walking away from you isn't self defense, it's assault- even with the fact that Zimmerman was armed, because he was carrying concealed, which means that Trayvon had no idea Zimmerman was armed until he got shot. This is why you don't act tough and run up on people, even if they're following you, and especially if they've stopped following you and are walking away. |
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Zimmerman made a mistake getting out of his car. Trayvon made a mistake confronting Zimmerman. A fight ensued where all evidence points to Trayvon having the upper hand. It's self defense. It is certainly partly Zimmerman's fault. But it is NOT murder 2. Not even a little bit. |
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With quickness, I'm going to once again refute your statements. This round is a little easier for me but I'm not getting cocky. I know you're going to try to be twice as hard on me. :D
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Regardless of physical shape if this is a ground assault which this case is centered around, Zimmerman would have the upper hand due to his weight and his muscle tone as fat is usually muscle. Height has nothing to do with it. He's an adult and the victim was a teenager. Quote:
And no they aren't police, but they work for the police department and the fact he went against the orders of the dispatcher shows foul play in some shape or form. 911 calls are vital in criminal cases. Quote:
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You didn't answer my question. I asked why did he go over to where Trayvon was. The dispatcher told him to leave the boy alone. He continued to look for addresses and other things because he wanted to be a wannabee cop. His agenda was never to go back to his vehicle. His agenda was to be a fake policeman and pursue Trayvon. As he was walking back to his car Trayvon from behind "called him over". FROM BEHIND WHICH CONFRONT MEANS IN POINT BLANK, FRONTAL CONTACT If he was walking back to his car, he would have continued to walk back to his car. A grown ass man who is armed with a gun isn't going to be intimidated by a teenage boy with a hooded sweatshirt on.. Especially if he "was going back to his car and was leaving Trayvon alone." Quote:
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Which is why his lawyer doesn't want him saying a goddam thing come trial. He doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. Casey Anthony kept her mouth shut and she got away with killing her child. Zimmerman can't ever keep his mouth shut which is why he is charged with second degree murder and his lawyer is going ape shit Quote:
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They (judges, prosecution, defense) have stated many times they are trying their best to exclude public opinion from this case. Zimmerman was told not to pursue a child. His stories don't add up. He had prior convictions related to assualt against his wife and other drug charges. The murder charge was sufficient enough. Manslaughter might have implemented had he not confronted Trayvon like the 911 dispatcher told him not to. Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQJWJNY60w This is the alleged route Trayvon walked on. It is a known shortcut that usually young kids take to get to the convenience store to the housing areas. But back to you're claim. I'm not gonna argue about Zimmerman's bruises. He provoked the fight. It is both parties fault. Trayvon was shot and killed so his story can't ever be told. The only story we have is that of Zimmerman's. you're taking Zimmerman's side for all the wrong reasons and I don't have the energy to argue with your nonsense facts. Trayvon was behind him when he called him over so there was no reason for Zimmerman to confront him. Therefore Zimmerman is partly responsible for this ordeal as that was plenty of time for him to go to his vehicle. Instead he walked in Trayvon's direction and the rest is unsolved mystery as we can only go on Zimmermans claim that a teenage child beat him to death unprovoked. |
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"In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he "believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," according to an FBI report." The racist motivation you've been trying to pin on Zimmerman doesn't hold any water beyond the point of speculation. Quote:
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If all you're going to do is completely ignore the FBI and police reports, the ballistic evidence, and the medical reports from both Trayvon and Zimmerman to throw around wild speculative theories about a large burly man who's actually fairly tiny hunting down a poor innocent six foot plus tall baby child varsity football player, then you need to stop. |
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Zimmerman did what he thought was best.
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So today is the first day of the trial. The jury selection begins.
There are only going to be six jury members. |
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So is anyone still keeping up with this.
At this stage I'm indifferent. I honestly don't like the bullying that Rachel is getting. 1.English is not her first language. 2.She is very emotional and isn't legally inclined. 3.The jackass lawyers kept belittling her. I wasn't going to debate about the "White ass cracka" comment unless you really want too. |
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I think it's a screwed up situation, however I think the media made it 1000 times worse. We could turn it into a new case for 12 Angry Men. I think ultimately he will be found guilty but I do not think he is guilty.
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Whether or not he's found guilty his life is still completely screwed, and I feel sorry for him. Think about it, if he's found guilty he's going to jail and I don't believe he should go to jail, because I don't believe he's guilty. This whole trial is a bunch of bullshit. If he's found not guilty and he goes free, there's going to be a giant lynch mob out to get him. If he walks free I guarantee people will try to kill him to get "justice for Trayvon" or some shit. I honestly feel sorry for this guy, because he doesn't deserve the giant shitstorm media started with this.
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This is the end. Very soon, perhaps even today the verdict will be,
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At this point, I feel bad for Zimmerman for becoming this image that many people to believe to be a "racist" regardless of evidence. I'm willing to bet that he's going to get killed by someone if the verdict is not-guilty...I hope that people are able to deal with the verdict either way, but people are unpredictable and can be irrational.
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This will be the one and only warning. I am going to allow people to discuss their opinions but the minute I feel things are going uncivil, that's it. Thread will be closed indefinitely.
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Ann Coulter Tweeted one word - "Hallelujah!"
Indeed. Let's rejoice that a young man has died. I have my (strong) opinions on this, and would like to leave them away from this thread because I don't believe anything good can come from discussing this here, but shouting hallelujah at the end of a manslaughter trial when someone, a young black man, has been killed is absolutely fucking vile. |
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I'm so pissed that he was found not guilty. That's all I have to say about it.
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at work tonight alot of people came in and were discussing it the verdict i just got off work and i have to admit im happy with the verdict a simple case of self defense in my opinion along with most people i saw at work.
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Why do you think it was self defense? Do you think the fact that six white women were in the jury affected the decision? |
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for one treyvon was ontop of the guy smashing his head against the concrete and he assaulted zimmerman with no provocation. not sure about you but i dont start beating up on someone cause they seem to be following me. whats with all the race questions ? |
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I was totally shocked. To me what happend was not an act of self defense. Seeing as I really don't fully understand the difference in the other choices I will not say what I feel should have been the verdict. But to say this was in self defense, how? If it was in self defense I feel he could have done a lot less then fleed, etc. I really feel sorry for the family of Trayvon...that is all.
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Is it still a tragedy that someone lost their life? Yes.
But I'm glad that a jury of peers found G.Z. 'not guilty'. Even if people call the "Stand your ground" Self defense law a little skewed. G.Z. was still defending himself. "Following or not", that doesn't justify assaulting someone. Zimmerman will now have to live in protective custody for the remainder of his life. In the end, remember how our Justice system works, you have to prove beyond a Reasonable doubt. That the person is Guilty. Better 100 guilty people go free, then 1 Innocent person go to Jail. |
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May i remind you. Domestic violence. He isn't THaT innocent.
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