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I'm sorry, I went through the pages, and maybe I missed something. When did they find out Trayvon had OFFICIALLY attacked Zimmerman before being shot, and where does it say that he had been selling drugs and all? I just can't find articles with sources of this, and I am honestly just asking for that. Currently, I do not see why this is self defense rather than manslaughter. I don't think 2nd degree will hold through, and if they try it, they'll lose.
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been gone a while surprised this is still opened Yeah that's still a racial slur why it was removed Yeah who is yogi? Some anecdotal individual with no scientific backing? It does not make you strong automatically you can be huge and suffering from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis. I don't think you'll be any good at fighting then. But you still have not proven more times than not smaller is stronger than bigger when both parties are healthy. In your 20's you are in your prime healthwise trayvon was headed there. Zimmerman was already there. More times than not that isn't the case. |
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Most people just aren't like you. And to explain that you are what you are is just a waste of time. We could profile Zimmerman just the same. From where I'm from they're actually a serious threat to some. I don't see it that way or at least I don't try to along with white males can be seen as a threat. Males in general could be as well what's your point besides that you're just taking one part of the population and exploiting it. Quote:
Overall I will surmise whatever happens I don't care as long as he was charged that's all I wanted... And am happy they made the right decision... |
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if trayvon were white he STILL could have bee suspected for recent robberies if he fit the description. I wouldn't even waste a face palm I'm not going to because it seems you can't see that he could have had the same scenario if he were white |
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you fail to see my point in this.
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Second, you really don't know how a fight works. NEVER judge someone's strength by size, that is something that should be common sense. I've already given you examples, and I've already tried to explain that in a fight, thinking you have the upper hand just because you're bigger is just stupidity and arrogance. Being arrogant in a fight can get you seriously injured or even killed, depending on how severe the fight becomes. NEVER underestimate an opponent based on size. That is not what matters in a fight. |
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Excuse me? I have degrees in Criminology and International Service, as well as my time and training as a light infantryman. I can provide academic citations to back up what I am saying, and I have also provided my own real-life experience as examples. - Tyr |
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Unpopular opinion: Innocent people are murdered every day. Guilty people walk away with no punishment every day. Why are we making such a big deal out of this now? I mean, there were students on my campus (which is across the country) who did a hoodie march and chanted about wanting justice. They just went through campus doing it, but what's that gonna change? I mean, yeah, it's awful that this happened and it's awful that the guy wasn't put in prison, but stuff like this happens every day, and seeing something on the news then putting on a hoodie doesn't make you an activist.
That's my opinion on the Trayvon Martin thing. It's WAY blown out of proportion. |
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Otherwise it's all what you think and has nothing to do with me. Yogi has proven also to speak ignorantly about certain people. Why would I believe anything he said? He shows his true colors his true level. This argument would not go well with a test on many scientific laws... You use anecdotal experiences instead of what is more likely.... |
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And you never said if everything were the same. Maverick said if Trayvon were white that it wouldn't have happened not if trayvon was white and everything was the same. He did not provide that information... |
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Where's the proof behind typing this? I don't believe you've proven you have degrees just because you say you are? Citations don't prove anything sorry I'm just saying that mass tends to follow strength. You can only talk about irrelevent facts. I am a lot smaller than you and I can share that experience. We all lives we can share our experiences with. And in my situation I have not experienced that. Sorry not everyone thinks like you... |
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You have tried to exploit one type of people my mom is much more educated than you could dream of... Guess what I wouldn't take anything serious she said either about this. Because she is biased against latinos. You already showed your hand over cards. I don't think you expect me to take you seriously...
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So why are you so obsessed with the size of the two people here? That's all you want to discuss. Size. You are beyond obsessed with it. My previous posts were to do with the psychology of killing - I have not mentioned size in either of those posts. As I said far earlier in the thread, size has little bearing on the outcome of a fight. Mindset, technical ability and experience are all far more important in the world of combat. You don't seem to understand that, but I somehow doubt you have ever been involved in that world. Good riddance. - Tyr |
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now read my last post :)
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You don't accept anything which isn't from your own little reality, do you? - Tyr EDIT: How am I exploiting anybody here? |
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That's not the same thing. And if this is how you think you can support the My Lai massacre... Just saying... |
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sorry never done any drugs in my life I'm a pretty pure person sorry if it's a struggle in your life teenhelp is a really supportive place maybe you can find the help you need I support you as well in that :) and as far as I know I'm allowed here and have been very polite idc if you dislike my opinion... That doesn't mean I don't belong here to say what I think as much as you do. I stand by what I said in this situation. He was not a soldier just a kid. So it doesn't apply. But it seems like you are just upset I don't agree I have my opinion you have yours. I haven't attacked your opinion only pointed how wrong you are about exploiting black men as a threat when you well know we all are. And can be profiled. If you can't even try to support it when faced with this without exploiting a race of people I can't take it seriously that's just how I am. We all can be seen as threats... You don't like what I say but you know it's true and you can't change what I think. But you have to think not everyone is as easily swayed...
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Well SoCal, thankfully, your opinions aren't being taken into consideration in the trial. Only the facts.
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and neither are yours or probably anyone else's in teenhelp.
That's why I asked what are you going to do about it? I am pretty content with how it was dealt with. If you don't what are you going to do about it? That you disagree with how it was handled? Anything? I mean people can make change will you? I don't care if he's claimed guilty or not. Just that he was charged. |
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Second, all you keep going on about here is size. Tyr (Yogi) and I have already tried to explain this multiple times, but you don't believe us. If you're so sure that size is what matters most, and that size automatically wins you a fight, no matter how skilled the smaller opponent is, you show us links to studies and statistics that prove it. THEN we'll talk. |
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I wasn't bashing I thought that was obvious. I am giving my opinion that's what I've done all along... I already said not automatically. I said more times than not that more mass will be victorious. Sorry for your misunderstandings and seriously I'm just saying my opinion no attacks :) oh and I'll get you a link |
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newton's law of motion
http://library.thinkquest.org/10796/ch4/ch4.htm simple laws constituted in motion shows that with each action is a reaction. If that reaction includes more weight, that reaction will be equal. Therefore each hit they make has an equal effect. And therefore, trayvon martin's hit would be less heinous and less of a threat. That's all it's a scientific law. I just was saying that's where my thought process relies. And not just that. I remember I bumped this old women I was yes taller than but was at least 50 lbs heavier. I bumped her she was at least 60 and nail me to the wall. I couldn't get away because of her weight despite she was old and cripple. I've also noticed with other average sized women when they bump into me I easily get bruised because their heavier weight. That's what I'm saying less weight less mass creates more chance of injury... It's the reason men are stronger than women... |
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Listen to me here. Just because someone has more body mass it doesn't give them an advantage. It's common sense and basic knowledge. I've seen many fights, and I have many friends who have been in fights. When my uncle was in high school he was on the wrestling team and I always went to see his matches. From every fight I've seen, I can tell you body mass means NOTHING. It is skill that wins a fight, not mass. A person can be huge and not know what the hell he's doing whereas his opponent is smaller but has fighting experience. You just can't go on size. If you do, that's what'll get you hurt in a fight. |
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no not your thought process your argument to win at this argument is to me false. You think fine never said you thought wrong.
They're skill professionals. Not young children. I already gave you my experience and so of course it is anecdotal all what you're saying has several anecdotal basis and don't talk about average joes. Rather soldiers or wrestlers are your concern |
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yea and my point is trayvon was weaker. By his bmi and weight and age he was the weaker individual for all you know trayvon could have felt he was fighting for his life you don't know. You aim to make zimmerman a victim. Instead of looking at it fairly. Maybe if zimmerman is really innocent now he'll be found not guilty. But he had to at least been charged imo. And the professionals in this case agree with that. I don't claim to say he's guilty or not. Just that I like that he was charged. That's done and that's what we all have to live with...
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