Biden on vaccines

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ent/index.html

Also, to note, many other states or cities are implementing this. California is one and state and Healthcare workers will need to be vaccinated or submit to testing. No clarification has been provided about what happens if they refuse. With Biden's suggestion it does not appear people will be fired.

Vaccinations are required in schools and, talking to people in other states, proof of vaccination is required for certain jobs. I don't disagree with this and think that if it doesn't work, they should start mandating it like they do for other vaccinations

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I’m all for this. If you don’t get vaccinated, you’d better understand that businesses also have the right to require a mask and deny entry to those without them. Workplaces have the right to make you get tested as often as they want.
Even if you aren’t worried about others, protect yourself.
The emergency use authorization the vaccine was offered under does NOT mean that the vaccine hasn’t undergone clinical trials and continuous monitoring for adverse events. They’re even on the way to getting FDA approval. There was funding that allowed these clinical trials to take place the way they did, but they weren’t rushed. I can assure you the government likely doesn’t see a point in potentially harming an entire country. That would have adverse effects on the economy, etc.

Covid cases are on the rise. As a contact tracer, I don’t want to have to call you.
What about breakthroughs you may ask? This is anecdotal of course but I have noticed that the people who are vaccinated have much milder symptoms if they do contract Covid. Some don’t even know they have it until they have to test for work or travel. Those who haven’t had the vaccine have had it rougher.

Want things to return to normal? Get the vax.

[Dawn.]

Here in Australia, in order for us to get out of lockdown is for people to get vaccinated and for the Covid-19 cases to go down.

I'm updating to say some clubs around here are requiring proof of vaccination or negative covid test within 72 hours in order to be admitted.

People are screaming about freedom of choice (I'm hoping these same people feel the same way about a woman's right to choose) and discrimination.

I still don't believe that these requirements will do anything unless there are consequences... Such as people who refuse to comply with employers losing their jobs.

It seems like we are looking at a never ending pandemic and, if things don't improve drastically, I could see more lockdowns

[Dawn.]

Originally Posted by .:Bibliophile:.

I'm updating to say some clubs around here are requiring proof of vaccination or negative covid test within 72 hours in order to be admitted.

People are screaming about freedom of choice (I'm hoping these same people feel the same way about a woman's right to choose) and discrimination.

I still don't believe that these requirements will do anything unless there are consequences... Such as people who refuse to comply with employers losing their jobs.

It seems like we are looking at a never ending pandemic and, if things don't improve drastically, I could see more lockdowns

I agree. It's so frustrating.

Updating here:

New York City is requiring proof of vaccination in restaurant, bars, nightclubs and gyms.

I know there are a few nightclubs in my city requiring this and other cities in my state have bars/restaurants/nightclubs requiring this.

People are freaking out about their freedoms. Spouting a lot of misinformation and I fear it won't do much to help but we shall see.

[Blackwing]

Sadly coronavirus keeps mutating and causing more harm to people. I think they will need to keep formulating new vaccines to fight this virus..

[MWF]

Anti-vaxxers have been around a long time, but I always assumed they made up maybe 5-10% of people, maybe 15% in more hippie-ish areas. I never expected this to be a widespread problem. I thought that even if people weren't taking Covid very seriously, they'd still roll their eyes and get the shot just so things would go back to normal. They wanted herd immunity at the start of the pandemic, and now here we are. The vaccines are the best way to achieve that..
I think vaccine passports are a great idea. We already have them for schools and camps. Unfortunately, I think theres a political element to this vaccine that makes it harder to swallow for people.

Originally Posted by MWF

Anti-vaxxers have been around a long time, but I always assumed they made up maybe 5-10% of people, maybe 15% in more hippie-ish areas. I never expected this to be a widespread problem. I thought that even if people weren't taking Covid very seriously, they'd still roll their eyes and get the shot just so things would go back to normal. They wanted herd immunity at the start of the pandemic, and now here we are. The vaccines are the best way to achieve that..
I think vaccine passports are a great idea. We already have them for schools and camps. Unfortunately, I think theres a political element to this vaccine that makes it harder to swallow for people.

Politics plays a huge role. The past *president* made covid political instead of focusing on finding a resolution or mitigation. The current administration is stuck between a rock and a hard place to. If they shut down there will be a lack of support tin 2022. Plus with all the voting laws and gerrymandering going on... The democrats are facing a huge loss in 22.

My governor is up for recall and if we close down he will almost certainly lose.

I have been hearing that covid deaths are worse than last year when things were bad. The uncertainty is killing me too. Last year I predicted the second lock down. This year I'm just wondering how it'll play out. I do not want another lock down but if hospitals become over run, who knows what will happen

I feel for hospital staff. Hope vaccine requirementa help but I'm pessimistic.

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Anti-vaxxers have been around a long time, but I always assumed they made up maybe 5-10% of people, maybe 15% in more hippie-ish areas. I never expected this to be a widespread problem

Like what Jenna said, politics are also a problem but there are people still hesitant because it is new and not FDA approved. I talked about the Emergency Use Authorization a little bit in my previous post, but I've been hearing a lot of people saying it hasn't been studied like your "traditional' vaccines so they don't want to be putting "random stuff" into their bodies. Others said they want to wait and see since there's now the Delta variant and they feel like they'll need to change the vaccine again to combat it.

[Proud90sKid]

Originally Posted by Wheek!

I’m all for this. If you don’t get vaccinated, you’d better understand that businesses also have the right to require a mask and deny entry to those without them. Workplaces have the right to make you get tested as often as they want.
Even if you aren’t worried about others, protect yourself.
The emergency use authorization the vaccine was offered under does NOT mean that the vaccine hasn’t undergone clinical trials and continuous monitoring for adverse events. They’re even on the way to getting FDA approval. There was funding that allowed these clinical trials to take place the way they did, but they weren’t rushed. I can assure you the government likely doesn’t see a point in potentially harming an entire country. That would have adverse effects on the economy, etc.

Covid cases are on the rise. As a contact tracer, I don’t want to have to call you.
What about breakthroughs you may ask? This is anecdotal of course but I have noticed that the people who are vaccinated have much milder symptoms if they do contract Covid. Some don’t even know they have it until they have to test for work or travel. Those who haven’t had the vaccine have had it rougher.

Want things to return to normal? Get the vax.

If a contact tracer called me, Id just tell them to fuck off. Not trying to be rude, just being honest. COVID cases declined. I didn't get vaccinated and now states with democrat governors that tried to shame ours into shutting down the economy (government forced poverty) have a higher covid rate!

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That’s okay! We take no for an answer.



From what I heard on NPR, Connecticut’s Hartford Healthcare vaccinated the first kid. Go CT!

Originally Posted by Proud90sKid

If a contact tracer called me, Id just tell them to fuck off. Not trying to be rude, just being honest. COVID cases declined. I didn't get vaccinated and now states with democrat governors that tried to shame ours into shutting down the economy (government forced poverty) have a higher covid rate!

It's weird that you're cool with all the unnecessary deaths caused by governors like Abbot and DeSantis.

[Proud90sKid]

Originally Posted by .:Bibliophile:.

It's weird that you're cool with all the unnecessary deaths caused by governors like Abbot and DeSantis.

What should Desantis have done? Tell me that I can't work and that my right to make a basic living for myself takes a back seat to "public health"? Florida has the lowest per capita rate of COVID in the entire country now. But we faced all the blame from the left when it was our turn with the delta variant. Democrat policies mostly fail and are often based on a theoretical world that doesnt exist (if only if everyone would). Its kind of why gas prices are like what, twice the national average? - in California because they have chosen to prioritize the small difference in carbon one state can make over more affordable living expenses.

The party that allegedly supports workers keeps adding more regulation and killing jobs- throughout the entire pandemic.

Originally Posted by Proud90sKid

What should Desantis have done? Tell me that I can't work? Florida has the lowest per capita rate of COVID in the entire country now. But we faced all the blame from the left when it was our turn with the delta variant. Democrat policies mostly fail and are often based on a theoretical world that doesnt exist (if only if everyone would). Its kind of why gas prices are like what, twice the national average? - in California because they have chosen to prioritize the small difference in carbon one state can make over more affordable living expenses.

The party that allegedly supports workers keeps adding more regulation and killing jobs- throughout the entire pandemic.

Yeah there is a lot of false information here. Honestly, being cool with the unnecessary deaths of people is not a good look. DeSantis is responsible for those deaths as is Abbot. People being sacrificed for the "economy" is terrible and says a lot about those politicians and the people that support them.

[Proud90sKid]

Originally Posted by .:Bibliophile:.

Yeah there is a lot of false information here. Honestly, being cool with the unnecessary deaths of people is not a good look. DeSantis is responsible for those deaths as is Abbot. People being sacrificed for the "economy" is terrible and says a lot about those politicians and the people that support them.

Dude, Im not some Jeff Bezos. I work because I simply need to make a living in order to survive. It's a need, not something that I want to have to do everyday. The only reason Earth supports 7 billion people now is because we have an agricultural economy that can sustain a large population. Humanity is no longer composed of a few thousand tribal members who can just eat off the land. We need to have an economy in order for people to eat. In order to have an economy, we have to have a diverse set of jobs and potential occupations. How is that so hard for democrats to understand? Is it because they think anyone who cares about the economy is rich?

When did I say that I am cool with unnecessary deaths? COVID killed those people, not Desantis. Of course, you didnt bother to answer my question about what an intelligent COVID response would be because you dont fucking have a clue.

Originally Posted by Proud90sKid

Dude, Im not some Jeff Bezos. I work because I simply need to make a living in order to survive. It's a need, not something that I want to have to do everyday. The only reason Earth supports 7 billion people now is because we have an agricultural economy that can sustain a large population. Humanity is no longer composed of a few thousand tribal members who can just eat off the land. We need to have an economy in order for people to eat. In order to have an economy, we have to have a diverse set of jobs and potential occupations. How is that so hard for democrats to understand? Is it because they think anyone who cares about the economy is rich?

When did I say that I am cool with unnecessary deaths? COVID killed those people, not Desantis. Of course, you didnt bother to answer my question about what an intelligent COVID response would be because you dont fucking have a clue.

It intelligent response to covid is ensuring that there are not unnecessary deaths. DeSantis is responsible because he had absolutely no response and just ignored it.

[Proud90sKid]

Originally Posted by .:Bibliophile:.

It intelligent response to covid is ensuring that there are not unnecessary deaths. DeSantis is responsible because he had absolutely no response and just ignored it.

Whats an unnecessary death? If someone dies of AIDS, thats not the governors fault. How is it the governors fault for COVID? Are we supposed to allow Fauci to govern our state now and not our elected governor? And what exactly could DeSantis do to stop the delta variant? Close the state off with strict armed border patrol? Do another lockdown(when the first cause substantial social problems in society)? He made monoclonal antibody treatments more widely available and advocated for the effectiveness of vaccines. Im unsure what more he could have done. We now have the lowest COVID rate in the country and we did it without having to cause undue damage to our economy,our personal rights, and our ability to make a living. Democrat states have forced people to deal with prolonged business closures, restrictions, unemployment and loss of rights on top of a pandemic. People unable to work because maybe they have a background and their small business-the niche the found in this world- was forcibly shut through non-capitalistic government interfence. Or someone unable to find work for months because their entire industry is banned by the state for not being essential: completely thrown under the bus.

While HIV can spread both through gay and straight sex, gay male sex is statistically much more dangerous in terms of contracting it. If men never fucked other dudes, we would have much less community spread of HIV-including to women. But we dont ban gay sex “to slow the spread of HIV” because it is a basic human right to be able to follow our sexual orientation. Similarly, it is a basic human right to be able to work and strict restrictions of several industries interferes with that.

Originally Posted by Proud90sKid

Whats an unnecessary death? If someone dies of AIDS, thats not the governors fault. How is it the governors fault for COVID? Are we supposed to allow Fauci to govern our state now and not our elected governor? And what exactly could DeSantis do to stop the delta variant? Close the state off with strict armed border patrol? Do another lockdown(when the first cause substantial social problems in society)? He made monoclonal antibody treatments more widely available and advocated for the effectiveness of vaccines. Im unsure what more he could have done. We now have the lowest COVID rate in the country and we did it without having to cause undue damage to our economy,our personal rights, and our ability to make a living. Democrat states have forced people to deal with prolonged business closures, restrictions, unemployment and loss of rights on top of a pandemic. People unable to work because maybe they have a background and their small business-the niche the found in this world- was forcibly shut through non-capitalistic government interfence. Or someone unable to find work for months because their entire industry is banned by the state for not being essential: completely thrown under the bus.

While HIV can spread both through gay and straight sex, gay male sex is statistically much more dangerous in terms of contracting it. But we dont ban gay sex “to slow the spread of HIV” because it is a basic human right to be able to follow our sexual orientation. Similarly, it is a basic human right to be able to work and strict restrictions of several industries interferes with that.

When the government negligently allowed HIV to go unmitigated and caused the unnecessary deaths of many... The government was at fault. The same can be said of what DeSantis and Abbott have done.

No, we don't ban sex but we teach mitigation measures such as utilizing protection etc. Much like we discuss wearing masks and social distancing and we all know how DeSantis feels about masks. If he was gonna open up and kill unnecessarily, the least he could do was get behind people wearing masks. If the pandemic and masks hadn't been turned political by the GOP and Trump, there'd be less people fighting masking and vaccines and all the other mitigation measures.

[Kate*]

Full disclosure, I am a democrat, pro-vaccine, and fully vaccinated.

But, Biden is expecting, or at least pushing for a 100% vaccination rate. It's NEVER going to happen, and the harder he pushes, the more likely he is to be voted out next election.

This NEVER should've been political, it is SCIENCE. There are very few legitimate health/scientific-based reasons to refuse a vaccine, period. I'm sick of having to take precautions to protect people who refuse to believe fact-based information, couldn't care less, and/or will never change their minds. It's time to get back to life, with restrictions for the unvaccinated and as harsh as it sounds, let the chips fall where they may.

I'm convinced that at some point, we're probably all going to end up getting it, and if someone chooses not to protect themselves by now, then it is what it is.