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Philadelphia doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/19/pennsylvania.abortion.doctor/index.html?hpt=T1
Dr. Kermit Barron Gosnell, 69, is accused of killing a female patient He's also accused of killing babies born alive in illegal abortions by cutting spinal cords Theft, perjury, illegal operations also alleged in case Doctor's wife, sister-in-law and 7 other west Philadelphia clinic workers face various charges |
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Absolutely terrible. I hope they are punished severely to the fullest extent of the law.
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My grasp of the English language doesn't really allow me to fully describe how I feel about this doctor so I'll sum it up in two words: Death Penalty.
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....maybe i read it wrong. but he was operation a abortion clinic right ? thats what it was right ?. if so only murder i see him responsable for is the female patients.
let me explain that.. he provided a service he didnt do it for free and he only did it to people who wanted an abortion... if anyone should be held responsable its the mothers that went there. |
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The mothers brought them there granted, he shouldn't be preforming illegal abortions, but the mothers are still at fault |
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Nine other people who worked in the west Philadelphia medical office, including Gosnell's wife and sister-in-law, also were charged, Williams said. The practice, called the Women's Medical Society, served mostly low-income minority women for years, he said. Williams provided a grisly scenario of the shuttered abortion clinic: A search of the office last year by authorities found bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses scattered throughout the building. Jars containing the severed feet of babies lined a shelf. Furniture and equipment was blood-stained, dusty and broken Does this mean the women who came to him are responsible for his sick trophys? |
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at mole.. i didnt read anything about him running around abducting woman and killing there kids..woman came to him. also i dont care for the law on this issue im talking about in MY OPPINION.... if he gets anything IN MY OPPINION it should be murder for the adult female and MAYBE accessory to murder for the others.. |
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granted he did something illegal.... but the mothers also engaged in having something illegally done. there was other ways he could have went about... eliminating the babies. i dont agree with how it was done.. but ill say again i honestly dont believe they had no idea how it was done they had to hear about it from someone and they likelly got told details by that person.. |
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It's sick.
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That's just wrong.
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Wow.
The "doctors" that performed these abortions and the mothers that went there are despicable, poor excuses for human beings. I get that they were poor, uneducated minorities.... but how uneducated to you have to be to think that an abortion in your 8th month is ok? I'm very pro-choice, but at that point it is a human being capable of sustaining its own life. Its murder. Have the baby and drop it off at a safe haven or place it up for adoption... |
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Of course not, I never said that, all I was saying is that the women are responsible for their actions, if they weren't going to a shady doctor it may not of happened of course I don't know the whole story though, so i"m kinda just giving my opinion, all I'm saying is a guy doing late abortions doesn't seem like the greatest doctor to visit |
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Day 146+ fetuses are viable. Note: I'm just going with the earliest fetal birth, so don't say I'm wrong. D: Generally it's around 20 weeks, but I think the real date of viability lies in 22 weeks. |
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It is sick. And although I, to a small extent, agree with Dustin the women probably had NO idea they were being seen by people with absolutely NO medical license. |
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I do agree that the mothers did the wrong thing. However, I do wonder how much information the mothers were provided with. Did anyone tell them that their babies were able to survive on their own at that age? Did anyone even tell them how far along they actually were? I think the mothers should be looked into (though I'm sure they would have a hard time finding them since a shady clinic probably doesn't keep a lot of paperwork), but I'm sure there is probably a lot of factors to their stories. No one decides to have an abortion in their eighth month just for the hell of it. Women who want abortions usually get them done as soon as possible, and it would be hard to get to even 6 months without realising you were pregnant. |
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That doctor is just sick. I know the mothers shouldn't have taken their kids there, but HE murdered them. He should be charged for murder. You are all saying the mothers should have known better and should have made a choice, but same goes for the doctor...he should have known better and made a choice not to run the service. Im not saying the mothers shouldn't get in trouble, they were wrong too...but I disagree with people who say he should not be charged for killing those babies.
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What I was more arguing is the fact that you said the doctor shouldn't be charged for the murder of the babies or should only be charged as an accessory. I don't understand why you argued that. The fact that the mothers ought to be charged for murder as well doesn't lessen the amount of blame that he should receive. |
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I don't understand the charges either. According to the article, there were fetuses, or parts of fetuses, in various containers and open unsanitary equipment. How could someone be unaware of what was going to transpire with all the evidence around them to look at? Argument aside of whether the fetuses are people by social and legal definitions, the fetuses didn't walk in their by themselves. The mothers brought this living organism to be killed and presumably knew it was illegal given the reputation this doctor formed.
It's like hiring a hitman and in his "office", there are images or parts of his previous hits showing him killing them, weapons laid out and knowing he was a prominent hitman, I cant understand how one could then say one was unaware of what was going to transpire when they met to form the contract. The mothers must have been deprived of at least sight, smell and common-sense. I cant understand why the mothers aren't being charged. Perhaps they shouldn't receive the same charges as the doctor is but accessory in murder or conspiracy to commit murder seem fitting. I guess one thing to argue though is the definition of murder. Does it require killing a PERSON, which is a social and legal label, or a HUMAN, which is a genetic label independent of age? Would the fetuses be considered a person or not in this? Obviously they're a human, there's no argument there. The DA Williams was tossing around the words homicide and murder but the majority of the time he did, it seemed to be out of emotions not out of legal discourse. |
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Well, this is horrible. But I don't really understand all the charges? It sounds very...iffy in certian spots.
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