Amazon Drops Japanese Video Game Featuring Rape, Abortion

[Bibliophile]

That is disgusting,the end.

[Penguin Queen]

Originally Posted by YourNightmare

Why exactly is murder not as bad?

So, am I right to say that if there is a person who has killed 5 people and a person who has raped 5 people, the rapist should be punished more than the murderer?

Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.

[A]

Originally Posted by Jessie

"Messed up" doesn't cover this. Good for Amazon for dropping it. Fail on ever carrying it.

Not long ago, this was why homosexuality was banned. No one really minded then either, because general public opinion was that it was "disgusting". There's no real reason to make it unavailable except for it being distasteful, which is not illegal - therefore Amazon should have continued to sell it regardless of what random prudes complained about.

[Penguin Queen]

Originally Posted by A

Not long ago, this was why homosexuality was banned. No one really minded then either, because general public opinion was that it was "disgusting". There's no real reason to make it unavailable except for it being distasteful, which is not illegal - therefore Amazon should have continued to sell it regardless of what random prudes complained about.

excuse me, but are you saying that we should keep a open mind about whether rape and forced abortion is wrong or not?!

[A]

Originally Posted by thecryingangel

excuse me, but are you saying that we should keep a open mind about whether rape and forced abortion is wrong or not?!

No, I'm saying that just because you think something is disgusting or distasteful does not mean it should be banned. These are only depictions of rape and violence, it really doesn't matter because there's no real life impact.

[Fictional]

Don't the Japanese also make the most sexually explicit movies? I think the game's sick, but if it stops people from going out and really raping people, then it can't be such a bad thing. They should give sex offenders free copies of it.

[Hyper Sonic]

It's a game, it is far from real. I'm sure Japan has age ratings too - a 14 year old is unlikely to be able to buy this game anyway. It's just different - the Church said Darwin was wrong and look at where we are now. People hate things that are different

Also, how is forced abortion different from forced non-abortion?

[Dasha]

Originally Posted by thecryingangel

Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.

Did you just justify MURDER?, and Then refuse to at least try to do the same for rape? What logic is that? What valid excuse can a person even have for murder?

Can you honestly give me a situation where you would rather a friend or family member be murdered than raped? A person can come back from a rape, but your dead forever with murder.

[Smitten]

Originally Posted by A

But who cares? It's a gamer commanding pixels on a screen to murder, steal, rob and rape - who's hurt by that except other pixels? The answer is no one.

BUT...BUT...BUT....
PIXELS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!
SAVE THE PIXELS!

[Dasha]

Originally Posted by Smitten

BUT...BUT...BUT....
PIXELS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!
SAVE THE PIXELS!

xD That actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.

[Smitten]

Originally Posted by Dasha

xD That actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.

You are welcome
I was trying to lighten the mood

[Acheron]

Originally Posted by thecryingangel

Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape.

Is this relevant? Yes, there are some justifiable reasons for killing, like self-defence, and I can't at the moment think of any for rape. However, while this proves that killing someone can, in some circumstances, be worse than raping someone, it in no way proves that a killing with no mitigating circumstances is worse than a rape with no mitigating circumstances.

[Dasha]

I should also point out. Killing someone, say in self defense. Is different than actual Murder. Which is to kill with an intent. So I can't possibly see where murder can get its justifications from.

[Acheron]

Originally Posted by Dasha

I should also point out. Killing someone, say in self defense. Is different than actual Murder. Which is to kill with an intent. So I can't possibly see where murder can get its justifications from.

What about killing in the defence of other people? Imagine that you know that someone is going to kill a group of your friends. You track down this person and kill him before he can kill any of them. You must have intended to kill this man, which would fit your definition of murder (technically speaking, a murder is an unlawful killing with intent). Was killing him justified?

[InSovietRussiaORGASMGotU]

Originally Posted by thecryingangel

Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.

Aside from that being completely illogical, you failed to answer a single of one my questions, so I'll restate them:
1) Why exactly is murder not as bad as rape?

2)So, am I right to say that if there is a person who has killed 5 people and a person who has raped 5 people, the rapist should be punished more than the murderer?

The fact that you hate GTA is completely irrelevant here.
I find it rather interesting how you justify murder like it's not such a bad thing but something such as rape, to you is worse. With murder, the person is dead but with rape they can recover and continue living.

[Dasha]

Originally Posted by Acheron

What about killing in the defence of other people? Imagine that you know that someone is going to kill a group of your friends. You track down this person and kill him before he can kill any of them. You must have intended to kill this man, which would fit your definition of murder (technically speaking, a murder is an unlawful killing with intent). Was killing him justified?

No, that does not justify the murder at all. A person could just as easily, call up the police to track the potential murderer down, or if they don't want to,
Call the friends and tell them to get somewhere safe, and track down the potential murder and tie him up or something, THEN call the police. There is no need to murder them and there's not much way to possibly tell if the person was just making a threat, or actually going to do it.

[R.K.]

Originally Posted by thecryingangel

Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.

To make sure I understand, you're not saying MURDER IS BETTER THAN RAPE, what you meant was JUSTIFICATIONS behind murder can be better than behind rape, thus "rape is the worst".

If that is what you mean, then say so clearly, I think there was some misunderstanding because of this.

[Acheron]

Originally Posted by Dasha

No, that does not justify the murder at all. A person could just as easily, call up the police to track the potential murderer down, or if they don't want to,
Call the friends and tell them to get somewhere safe, and track down the potential murder and tie him up or something, THEN call the police.

Yes, there are other justifiable courses of action. However, killing the killer-to-be prevents him from doing a harm greater than a single killing. It's done in the defence of other people. Given that all people are linked through their common humanity, I don't see how you can draw a moral distinction between self-defence and the defence of others.

There is no need to murder them and there's not much way to possibly tell if the person was just making a threat, or actually going to do it.

Which is why I said "if you know". It's a thought experiment rather than a practical example.

[Dasha]

Originally Posted by Acheron

Yes, there are other justifiable courses of action. However, killing the killer-to-be prevents him from doing a harm greater than a single killing. It's done in the defence of other people. Given that all people are linked through their common humanity, I don't see how you can draw a moral distinction between self-defence and the defence of others.


Which is why I said "if you know". It's a thought experiment rather than a practical example.

I can understand if the ONLY option, and the killer is right there. But it is not justifiable if you have time to track a assumed killer down to kill him yourself. I am NOT drawing any line between self defense and the defense of others, you never heard me say so. I merely said there were other options than to seek out and kill him. If you knew a guy might be coming to murder you, do you seek him out first to kill him? Or run and contact the authority's. It is the SAME exact thing I am saying to do, how is that drawing a line? If anything it puts them closer together rather than separating them with the proverbial line.

[Fucking Done]

The game doesn't have feelings people. You are not hurting anybody.

[Acheron]

Originally Posted by Dasha

I can understand if the ONLY option, and the killer is right there. But it is not justifiable if you have time to track a assumed killer down to kill him yourself. I am NOT drawing any line between self defense and the defense of others, you never heard me say so. I merely said there were other options than to seek out and kill him. If you knew a guy might be coming to murder you, do you seek him out first to kill him? Or run and contact the authority's. It is the SAME exact thing I am saying to do, how is that drawing a line? If anything it puts them closer together rather than separating them with the proverbial line.

But the fact that other options exist doesn't make the killing unjustifiable. Yes, contacting the police is perhaps a safer option, but the difference is mainly one of tactics rather than one of moral justifiability. While going to the authorities may have a slight moral edge, that in no way means that killing would be an immoral course of action. Either option is morally justifiable as it is performed to prevent a greater harm.

[Confused1isin]

WOW!!! There arent enough words to describe how wrong that game is...

[Dasha]

Originally Posted by Acheron

But the fact that other options exist doesn't make the killing unjustifiable. Yes, contacting the police is perhaps a safer option, but the difference is mainly one of tactics rather than one of moral justifiability. While going to the authorities may have a slight moral edge, that in no way means that killing would be an immoral course of action. Either option is morally justifiable as it is performed to prevent a greater harm.

Not at all. Murder is ONLY justifiable if you have absolutely no other options. A person should not resort to murder just because its an "easier" option. Even in defense, I find it hard to justify it. You can easily stop a person without killing them. Hell, even just knocking them unconscious is a better way.

[Acheron]

Originally Posted by Dasha

Not at all. Murder is ONLY justifiable if you have absolutely no other options. A person should not resort to murder just because its an "easier" option. Even in defense, I find it hard to justify it. You can easily stop a person without killing them. Hell, even just knocking them unconscious is a better way.

Of course it's better to knock someone unconscious than to kill them. Did I ever dispute that? But the fact that there are more morally justifiable options doesn't mean that killing is immoral, only that it is less moral. In the case of killing someone in defence, it prevents a greater harm than it causes, and on balance, therefore, is justifiable.

[Dasha]

Originally Posted by Acheron

Of course it's better to knock someone unconscious than to kill them. Did I ever dispute that? But the fact that there are more morally justifiable options doesn't mean that killing is immoral, only that it is less moral. In the case of killing someone in defence, it prevents a greater harm than it causes, and on balance, therefore, is justifiable.

Well in my opinion. The ONLY way murder can be evenly remotely justifiable is when there is absolutely no other option out of a situation where other people besides the original killer will end up dead. Murder IS immoral.

[Lugez]

Play, or look up Manhunt.....Now THATS a ridiculously violent/gory/sick game.

Anyway, even though I personally think this game is horrible, I wouldn't try to prevent anyone who wants to play it from playing it. After all, in the end its just pixels.

Don't like it? Then ignore it, and don't play it.

[Mel14]

lol wow. the japanese are so silly.

[InSovietRussiaORGASMGotU]

Originally Posted by Mel14

lol wow. the japanese are so silly.

Silly? No, I wouldn't use that word. They're quite a bright bunch of people.

[DoesThisLookInfected?]

Originally Posted by YourNightmare

Silly? No, I wouldn't use that word. They're quite a bright bunch of people.

Especially when they can have these games, not be outraged, and still have lower crime rates.

[Mel14]

Originally Posted by YourNightmare

Silly? No, I wouldn't use that word. They're quite a bright bunch of people.

Haha I know =) But they are still silly.

[FastForward2012]

Woww.
That is messed up on so many levels.
&Thats all I'm going to say.

[DoesThisLookInfected?]

Originally Posted by DontGiveUpHope

Woww.
That is messed up on so many levels.
&Thats all I'm going to say.

GTA is messed up as well.

I have to say that rape is a lot more frowned upon in America (western society for that matter) than murder. Just seems to be like that.

[Lorelei]

It's disgusting and it promotes inequality. But... if it keeps creeps in their houses and away from any real women, then it's a victory.

[Lorelei]

Originally Posted by DoesThisLookInfected?

Especially when they can have these games, not be outraged, and still have lower crime rates.

Crime rates only count the crimes that the police have caught and written down for the record books. A lot of things that would be considered crimes here are not considered crimes in another part of the world or even the country. Not to mention the fact that cops in some areas just don't report all crime.

[Smitten]

seriously... so long as the lines between the virtual and real world can be maintained, there is no issue with games such as these; as stated by others they may serve as an alternative outlet for those who feel the urge to go out and do it for real.

Don't hate on the Jap's!

[Blackwing]

Games don't make you a rapist or murderer.

[Oiseau the Little Bird!]

Originally Posted by R.K.

To make sure I understand, you're not saying MURDER IS BETTER THAN RAPE, what you meant was JUSTIFICATIONS behind murder can be better than behind rape, thus "rape is the worst".

If that is what you mean, then say so clearly, I think there was some misunderstanding because of this.

I think that's what he meant. But people like to come up with reasons to get out of hand. Hi, everyone!

[Smitten]

HI Bernadette!


anyway, I have said what I have to say above.

I see little wrong with this in the scheme of things.

[Fictional]

as long as it doesn't encourage people to do it in real life, i don't really have much of a problem with it. although it sounds like a sick sort of game.